Democrat, liberal, leftist

[JonC]

It was no more political than any action a politician takes. Trump had a goal. He handled that goal the way he would have handled it in the business world. The Dems made it political. All he did was fast track a vax. Democrats saw the political fall out of him being successful and then tried to sabotage him and the vax for their own political reasons.
IMO, Covid was a coordinated attack on the free markets by China and the Democrats. Covid was political. Trump's response to it was not.

I don't agree with Trump's response, but it was not political. We should have gone on business as usual, hit herd immunity, and been done with it. Less people would have died.

It is the same.

Trump used COVID and vaccines for the purpose of gaining support, for uplifting his status as President in an upcoming election, as a weapon against opposing organizations.

You say that was just a business decisions that Trump made to strengthen his position.

But Trump was not running a business and the organization he was in was the GOP. He used the vaccine and virus for political gain, not to make money.

 

[Reynolds]

It is the same.

Trump used COVID and vaccines for the purpose of gaining support, for uplifting his status as President in an upcoming election, as a weapon against opposing organizations.

You say that was just a business decisions that Trump made to strengthen his position.

But Trump was not running a business and the organization he was in was the GOP. He used the vaccine and virus for political gain, not to make money.

No. He did what he thought should be done. He tried to leave the politics out. Trump intended to be bipartisan, but the Dems polarized.

 

[JonC]

No. He did what he thought should be done. He tried to leave the politics out. Trump intended to be bipartisan, but the Dems polarized.

No. He approached it as he would defeating a business rival and gain a business advantage. But it was politics. What he was trying to gain was political capital rather than monetary profit.

 

[Reynolds]

No. He approached it as he would defeating a business rival and gain a business advantage. But it was politics. What he was trying to gain was political capital rather than monetary profit.

Ever thought he was just trying to save an economy and lives?
How could he have handled it that you would not consider political?

 

[JonC]

Ever thought he was just trying to save an economy and lives?
How could he have handled it that you would not consider political?

Some of it, yes. The issue is not what he did (I agree with just about everything Trump did ....except maybe taking to Twitter, which was very much political).

There is probably very little the head of the GOP or DNC could do that I would not see as political.

 

[Reynolds]

Some of it, yes. The issue is not what he did (I agree with just about everything Trump did ....except maybe taking to Twitter, which was very much political).

There is probably very little the head of the GOP or DNC could do that I would not see as political.

Twitter was the way Trump could get his message out. MSM would not deliver Trump's message.

 

[JonC]

Twitter was the way Trump could get his message out. MSM would not deliver Trump's message.

Trump had the Presidential pulpit. He gave briefings and answered questions at the drop of a dime (something I liked about him). He was a businessman who became a politician.

Do t get me wrong. I think Trump was the best President in my adult lifetime. He exposed the corruption in DC. But he was, himself, was never far from corruption. He lied just as much as any politician to accomplish his goals.

He did not stand a chance because he exposed the failings of both the DNC and the GOP. But he could never recognize his own shortcomings (which is perhaps why he was so successful in business). He was like a bull in a china shop . . . Which was very cool to watch.

 

[Reynolds]

Trump had the Presidential pulpit. He gave briefings and answered questions at the drop of a dime (something I liked about him). He was a businessman who became a politician.

Do t get me wrong. I think Trump was the best President in my adult lifetime. He exposed the corruption in DC. But he was, himself, was never far from corruption. He lied just as much as any politician to accomplish his goals.

He did not stand a chance because he exposed the failings of both the DNC and the GOP. But he could never recognize his own shortcomings (which is perhaps why he was so successful in business). He was like a bull in a china shop . . . Which was very cool to watch.

Had he gotten any cooperation from the Dems, you would have seen a milder Trump. They bugged Trump tower during the election. They started the Russia Hoax just as soon as he beat Hillary. He had all the Dems and half the Republicans stabbing him in the back. No one is being held accountable for anything. Serious crimes were committed and being ignored.

 

[JonC]

Had he gotten any cooperation from the Dems, you would have seen a milder Trump. They bugged Trump tower during the election. They started the Russia Hoax just as soon as he beat Hillary. He had all the Dems and half the Republicans stabbing him in the back. No one is being held accountable for anything. Serious crimes were committed and being ignored.

Trump was not stupid. He knew he wouldn't get cooperation from Dems. That's probably why he never tried.

Serious crimes are always committed, and for the most part ignored.

 

[Reynolds]

Trump was not stupid. He knew he wouldn't get cooperation from Dems. That's probably why he never tried.

Serious crimes are always committed, and for the most part ignored.

He tried. Remember his "Chuck and Nancy" meetings.

 

[JonC]

He tried. Remember his "Chuck and Nancy" meetings.

Yea....but that was all politics. One can't cross burnt bridges (granted, the bridges were burned from both sides long before the election was over).

 

[Reynolds]

Yea....but that was all politics. One can't cross burnt bridges (granted, the bridges were burned from both sides long before the election was over).

He tried. They were in pure obstructionist mode.

 

[JonC]

He tried. They were in pure obstructionist mode.

Lol.....yea.

I don't know what Trump was thinking. If I was his age and had 1/10th of his wealth the last thing I'd think is "hey....I want to be President".

 

[Reynolds]

Lol.....yea.

I don't know what Trump was thinking. If I was his age and had 1/10th of his wealth the last thing I'd think is "hey....I want to be President".

Having worked for a Billionaire, I will answer your question. They get where they are by being driven. They can not turn off their drive. It is more about accomplishment than money. They have a streak of eccentric in them a mile wide.
We were at Folly beach and parked in a parking lot beside a bar. It was during the day. We started walking toward the hotel across the street. The bouncer at the bar hollered and said the parking was for the bar only. Guy I work for said, OK. We got in car and left. He got on cell phone and called his lawyer in Charleston. He said "I don't care if you have to move Hell and the Devil, put a 8 ft fence around my parking lot across the road from my condos on Folly Beach." He sat in his condo and laughed his rear end off when the fence started going up a few hours later. After the fence was finished, he said "Come on, let's go." We went across the road and he told the bouncer off, went into the bar and he let into the bar owner. It all ended with they had to pay him $1500 a month to use his lot that he had been letting them use for free for years. All because someone did not know who he was and disrespected him.

It was hilarious. I was hoping at the onset, he would have told me "Go take care of that -----," but he had a better plan.
It's not about money. It is about them.

 

[JonC]

Having worked for a Billionaire, I will answer your question. They get where they are by being driven. They can not turn off their drive. It is more about accomplishment than money. They have a streak of eccentric in them a mile wide.
We were at Folly beach and parked in a parking lot beside a bar. It was during the day. We started walking toward the hotel across the street. The bouncer at the bar hollered and said the parking was for the bar only. Guy I work for said, OK. We got in car and left. He got on cell phone and called his lawyer in Charleston. He said "I don't care if you have to move Hell and the Devil, put a 8 ft fence around my parking lot across the road from my condos on Folly Beach." He sat in his condo and laughed his rear end off when the fence started going up a few hours later. After the fence was finished, he said "Come on, let's go." We went across the road and he told the bouncer off, went into the bar and he let into the bar owner. It all ended with they had to pay him $1500 a month to use his lot that he had been letting them use for free for years. All because someone did not know who he was and disrespected him.

It was hilarious. I was hoping at the onset, he would have told me "Go take care of that -----," but he had a better plan.
It's not about money. It is about them.

I guess that's why they get where they are.

I read an interview with Jimmy Buffett awhile back. Despite his laid back music he is a workaholic.

Some people enjoy working very hard to make or own the stuff. Others, like me, enjoy working just hard enough to enjoy the stuff they make or own .

 

[Reynolds]

I guess that's why they get where they are.

I read an interview with Jimmy Buffett awhile back. Despite his laid back music he is a workaholic.

Some people enjoy working very hard to make or own the stuff. Others, like me, enjoy working just hard enough to enjoy the stuff they make or own .

I could tell you some Buffet stories. Guy I worked for was good friends with Jimmy.
They met on Provodenciales Island in their younger days and became friends.

 

[AustinC]

I could tell you some Buffet stories. Guy I worked for was good friends with Jimmy.
They met on Provodenciales Island in their younger days and became friends.

I know a guy who knows a guy...

 

[Reynolds]

I know a guy who knows a guy...

Good for you.

 

[JonC]

I know a guy who knows a guy...

Is the guy Steve? I know a guy who knows Steve.

 

[Cathode]

I disagree. Trump declaring he gave us an effective vaccine, stating it would have been impossible without him, that everybody needed to be vaccinated, etc....that was for political gain.

When Trump criticized people for minimalizing COVID, for referring to it as a child or the flu...that was for political gain.

It does not matter who was right or wrong. Both political parties used COVID and vaccines in the hope of gaining political capital. Otherwise Trump would not have taken credit for the vaccines.

That is the problem with politics. Everything is political with politicians.

Sometimes politicians do deserve credit, the problem sometimes lies with people not giving the credit where it is due. Not with politicians taking the credit.