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Democrats And Illegals

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Adonia, Jun 28, 2019.

  1. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
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    In last nights debate, all of the Democrats came out with the idea of fully paid healthcare for foreigners here illegally. This is crazy and no sane citizen should ever vote for one of these people. Couple this with a move towards communism and a wholesale rejection our constitutional republican form of government and it is true that the Democrats are indeed an anti-American political party. They are guilty of sedition against our great country, of that there can no longer be any denial. They once stood for American ideals but no longer do so. They should be banned by law and relegated to the dustbin of history.
     
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    And how would you do that? Via what process? And what alternative is there to Democrats?
     
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    When an entity is openly seditious against our republican form of government then something should be done. How? I don't know but something needs to be done or else it is all over. For years these people have worked under the radar - as government bureaucrats and educators, undermining our system the whole time and it is something that has to be dealt with. When even "moderates" such as Joe Biden have gone over should tell us something. A constitutional republican form of government and leftist ideas are incompatible.

    An alternative to the Democrats could be a new political party led by people who at least believe in adhering to the constitutional principles. Someone with the stature of Alan Dershowitz could perhaps be the one to lead the renaissance. Surely he is not the only sane liberal out there?
     
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    Am I correct that D is a Jew correct? Wouldn’t you prefer a solid Christian, with principals and healthy moral standards?
     
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    I always felt Jim Webb was a good candidate and he worked across the isle as Navy’s Secretary.... picked by President Reagan. And he was a state senator for Virginia.
    I also like men who served and Webb saw active duty in Vietnam in the USMC.
     
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    Why does it matter if Mr. Dershowitz is a Jew or not? He is an American who respects the Constitution is all that matters. Your question reveals a bias against Jewish people - such a thing is called anti-Semitism and has no place in the heart or mind of a professing Christian.
     
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    How bout if I tell you I am a Jew? So then by your pretzel logic, I’m a self hating Jew. Keep going Mr. Psychoanalytic, I’m dying to hear more of your nonsense.
     
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    Hey look, I am not the one who pointed out that Mr. Dershowitz is Jewish. For some reason you found that fact to be relevant as regards respecting the Constitution and having some liberal lead a reformation among todays Democrats. By your statement you obviously have a problem with "a Jew" being the person to lead the Democrats back to constitutional sanity.

    I don't know if you are Jewish or not, thus I will (and did) refrain from commenting on whether you are a "self hating Jew". You make this particular accusation against me without any basis of fact, while your initial bringing up of Alan Dershowitz's Jewishness shows that you do indeed have anti-Semitic tendencies.

    I would never dream of making such a statement as you did, it is simply not part of my character. So those are the facts my friend which in this case are completely sensical. Have a nice day!
     
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    Yes, they want to take everything you have worked for, the wealth and the life you have built and they want to give it all to the Illegals. They want to tax you at 70% and give the illegals, Social Security, Welfare, Medicare/Medicaid, Food Stamps, free college, free housing and your job is to shut up and pay for it. And if you don't like that, they will say you are racist.

    The Democrat party is the enemy. They are the enemy of real Americans and patriots. They are the socialist party of America and socialists have no place in America.
     
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    You didn’t understand my post so you drew from the hip rather than getting clarification... that reflects on you not me.
     
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    There were no communists on the debate stage last night. That's simply not true.
     
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    1. They all want government control of healthcare - that is communism.
    2. They all want no national borders - that is communism.
    3. They all want to control businesses through government - that is communism.
    4. They all want one single political entity - that is communism.
    5. They all want to impose stringent gun controls with a goal of total disarmament of all civilians with only the government having arms - that is communism.
    6. They all hate our republican constitutional form of government based on individual liberty - that is communism.
    7. They all support the failed government schools - that is communism.
    8.None of those people believe in Federalism and a limited Federal government - that is communism.
     
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    # 7 I disagree

    # 8 Actually Biden did stand up for States rights at one point
    (okay, so I agree with Biden on 1 out of 82 points)

    and just because someone wants a strong Federal govt, does NOT mean they are Communist.

    According to your thinking - George Washington was a communist as he wanted a strong Federal Govt
    as well as everyone who voted for the COTUS over the Articles of Confederation.
     
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    They don't just want a strong Federal government in the context of Federalism, they want the Federal government to control everything with the states as their agents. There has been a disturbing trend over the last 40 years or so where many things that have been the sole purview of the individual states to address, the Feds have come in and taken over and todays crop of Democrats want more and more of it.

    Just look at the crises of the student loan debt. This was once an area where private banks made the loans, but now the Feds do it and it has caused colleges and universities to raise their prices because the Feds guaranty every loan to every student no matter what they want to study or the ultimate cost. The next big one they want control of is healthcare, and if they ever get that it will be one big disaster.

    As for George Washington, he wanted a strong Federal government that kept to it's constitutional dictates i.e. the particular enumerated powers allotted to it and no more. Our first President would be aghast at what has happened to our governmental system.
     
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    Your last post explained things much better. The problem is that initially you made a very basic statement - that could have way too many
    interpretations.

    So lets be very careful with a "too simple" statement.
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    I think its better labeled as marxist globalism. Communism IMO is the last step on the progressive way (thesis, antithesis, synthesis) to the Adam Weishaupt Illuminati concept of one-world-government.

    In short I call it Progressive Globalism (skip the Communist bloodbath revolution - ballots not bullets),
    It took me a while to come to this conclusion. "It's at the Door".

    Old enough to Remember? (If they were honest this should be the DNC theme song)
    I admit, got a little steamy listening to John sing. I was a fan in the day.

    Imagine there's no heaven
    It's easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky

    Imagine all the people
    Living for today (ah ah ah)

    Imagine there's no countries
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion, too

    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man

    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world

    You may say that I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will live as one

    imagine there's no heaven - Google Search

    Source: LyricFind
    Songwriters: John Winston Lennon
    Imagine lyrics © Downtown Music Publishing
     
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    This is ridiculous. There were no communists on the debate stage. There were those who support Democratic socialism. There is a major difference. A communist country is a dictatorship with no rights for the people. China and N. Korea are communist states. You'rs is reckless language which only makes the current division in America worse.

    On the other hand, Trump has expressed admiration for all the world's dictators. He admires Putin, Xi and Kim Jung Un. He also has openly discussed the possibility of a third term after (IF) he wins in 2020. He also has called for "supporters of the Second Amendment to intervene if he loses in 2020. If anybody has supported a dictatorship in America it is Trump and his band of merry m en.
     
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    So where would my rights be respected under any of those people on that stage?

    Where is my right to not be forced into a national health care system that has no basis in our Federal Constitution and that not one politician on that stage who supports it would ever be a part of?

    Where is my right to own and use firearms that is guaranteed by the U.S and many State Constitutions that those people on the stage want to severely infringe upon or outright take away?

    Where is my right to not be taxed so that the people on that stage do not take my hard earned money and give it away to foreigners as they all want to do?

    Where is my right to be secure in my own homeland and have our borders be controlled and not left open as the people on that stage want to do?

    Where is my right to not have my tax dollars go for terminating the lives of little growing babies in the womb as all those people want to do and then call it "healthcare"?

    You talk about rights, but if any of those people got power they would work to eliminate those rights I listed and turn me into nothing but a cog in the big government machine without a say in it.
     
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    Where is my right to have clean air, water and safe food?
    Where is my right to have fair districts drawn so representatives represent the people?
    Where is my right to be safe from military-style guns on the streets with silencers and bump cartridges?
    Where is my right to have presidential representatives not be members of the president's family (nepotism)?
    Where is my right to not have armed militias taking the law into their own hands?
    Where is the right for people of color to be treated equally under the law?
     
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    These aren't rights but these are currently what is going on.

    They are
     
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