Yep! And while it was flying through the air I got out my iron skillet! You better watch yourself mister! :laugh:
Yes, this is exactly what I am saying and it doesn't matter if you buy it or not as the scripture is clear. Remember what LeBuick quoted:
Ro 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
The only Law Adam and Eve had up to this point was: Don't eat the fruit! That's it. Thats why they were running around nekkid in front of each other. They had absolutely no perception of right or wrong other than they weren't supposed to eat the fruit.
Did Eve Lie To The Serpent?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by standingfirminChrist, Apr 11, 2008.
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Instead of speculating on where the words "neither shall ye touch it" came from, why not answer my question...where did the word "surely" go? If Eve didn't repeat the command exactly, and she didn't, why not?
I do not see why that is so hard to understand. Do you believe what scripture says or not?
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Apparently I believe Scripture more than others
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But do you believe the parts about election? How about wine? YOu seem to skip over those parts. -
What I have seen from you is an aversion to answering questions directly.
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Wine? You already know my stance on it. I stand with the Word of God. Alcohol is forbidden in the life of a Christian. It bites like a serpent and stings like an adder. Many who call themselves Christian are deceived into drinking that which God forbids.
Your accusation of my 'skipping over 'these parts' is far from the truth, Dale. Of course, you have to be consistant in your false accusations of the Brethren, so carry on. Your attacks on my believing the truth written in God's Word only strengthens my stand with Christ. -
God's word makes no mention of why Eve said what she did. All we are told is that she was deceived, but Adam sinned.
Since that's all we're told, we should leave at that and just accept it the way it is written. Anything else is just speculation and opinion. -
Great example: I don't discipline my children for being wrong, however, I do if I catch them in a lie. Are you honestly telling me that if you quiz your kid on the capital of Texas, and he says "Houston", you'll bring out the rod of correction? Why not, it's a sin, eh? -
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I agree with SFIC on this one.
In fact when I first realized (several years ago) that Eve had apparently added to God's Words in this passage, I came to the same conclusion.
God said it, it just wasn't recorded in the first account.
Or He may may have said it at some other time while walking with them in the cool of the evening.
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I've decided to be quiet about that which the Bible is quiet about. Too much clear teaching to spend time and effort talking about than to waste time in figuring out if and when God said something that we can never know, this side of heaven.
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Askjo,
It is possible that she did not lie intentionally. But intentional or not, it was still a lie.
What sin was God speaking about to Cain when He said 'sin lieth at the door'? If the law had not been given, how could Cain have been guilty of sin?
Thou shalt not kill had not even been given to man yet.... just as thou shalt not lie. And yet, Cain was guilty of the sin of murdering Abel.
Had God not told Eve 'neither shall ye touch it, she would have been guilty of lying by saying He did say it. -
He did NOT say "neither shall you touch it"
We have a record of what was said.
Was eve lying? I don't know.
The Bible is silent.
And by the way, this is nothing different than those who add to the Bible today by saying things like "don't even touch the wine" or don't even go to a movie lest you see a bad one" or...well you get the point.
It is like padding God's commands.
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Do you really think everything that God talked to them about was recorded, Dale?
Scripture does not say what they talked about in the cool of the evening, nor how often they talked.
It could be that God told Eve not to touch it and it was not recorded. If He did not say it, then Eve bore false witness... she lied.
btw, Scripture does say not to have anything to do with alcoholic wine. Many want to deny it, but that does not mean the command was not given.
Why do you always want to veer off into the subject of wine, Dale? -
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1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
As to Those things not recorded in the Scripture...
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
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In context of 1 John 2, the 'truth' is a true life, true salvation, true works, which are true to your position as a saint, etc.
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