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As he was called the Sin bearer, he know ho knew NO sin became SIN for us...
What was that actually describing here?
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God put our sins on Christ, poured out His wrath against that sin, and put Christ's righteousness on us.
Not a fair trade, but that's GRACE.
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I guess it depends on if you believe what it says or not.
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
He was made sin and God judged sin and now for those who die in Christ there is no sin to judge so by His action we are made righteous.
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Jesus "became" sin before He was nailed to the cross. He became sin, and the beatings He took, He took for us. So, He "became" sin, and died in our stead.
IOW, I believe that the beatings, the mockeries, the beard tearing, the stripes He bore, the spikes in His hands and feet, showed God's wrath concerning sin. He "became" sin, then was beat, mocked, slapped, spit upon, and then nailed.
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God put our sins on Christ, poured out His wrath against that sin, and put Christ's righteousness on us.
Not a fair trade, but that's GRACE.
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I guess it depends on if you believe what it says or not.
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
He was made sin and God judged sin and now for those who die in Christ there is no sin to judge so by His action we are made righteous.
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I guess it depends on if you believe what it says or not.
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
He was made sin and God judged sin and now for those who die in Christ there is no sin to judge so by His action we are made righteous.
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jesus experienced the seperation from the father, had "hell" while upon the Cross, but are you saying He actually became a siinner?
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Read what I said and do not add to it or change the words I used. This is what scripture says;
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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What do you see that meaning?
As many charasmatic see it in a heretical fashion, as they see Jesus death being both physical/spiritual, become sin natured, and had to get born again!
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What do you see that meaning?
As many charasmatic see it in a heretical fashion, as they see Jesus death being both physical/spiritual, become sin natured, and had to get born again!
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You should know by now that I believe scripture means what it says without adding to or changing the wording to make it say something it does not. He was made sin for us who He knew no sin.
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So he became a sinner then?
Did his humanity change to a sin nature?
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Jesus never sinned.
How can you ask if He became a sinner??
Our sins were put on Him.
He took God's wrath for OUR sins, not His.
What is hard for you to understand about that?
If I offer to pay a debt for you, that doesn't mean that I incurred the debt, only that I took it upon myself so that you wouldn't have to pay it.
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Jesus never sinned.
How can you ask if He became a sinner??
Our sins were put on Him.
He took God's wrath for OUR sins, not His.
What is hard for you to understand about that?
If I offer to pay a debt for you, that doesn't mean that I incurred the debt, only that I took it upon myself so that you wouldn't have to pay it.
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Then why so hard for some to say that he did not become a sinner?
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Who is saying that Jesus was a sinner?
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was just trying to see what fal meant by his responses!
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He took all the beatings and still lived. If you added up all these beatings, they would of killed the average man. But Jesus was without sin, so He did not die, but was marred more than any man. While on the cross, He then took on the sin of the world and died, giving up His spirit.
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He took all the beatings and still lived. If you added up all these beatings, they would of killed the average man. But Jesus was without sin, so He did not die, but was marred more than any man. While on the cross, He then took on the sin of the world and died, giving up His spirit.
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Amen!
The firstling of the flock was the perfect sacriface for the sin of the whole world
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He took all the beatings and still lived. If you added up all these beatings, they would of killed the average man. But Jesus was without sin, so He did not die, but was marred more than any man. While on the cross, He then took on the sin of the world and died, giving up His spirit.
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And no, Jesus did not take on a sin nature when He took on the world's sin. He was and remains the innocent sacrifice.