We don't need to do lots of things. They didn't have freezers back then, we have ice cream now. Is that sin? They didn't have ovens back then. Is baking sin? There is a difference between a "need" and what sin is considered.
Did Jesus Drink Alcoholic Beverages?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by gekko, May 10, 2006.
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Actually, there were ovens of a sort back then. In any case, there is no Biblical evidence that ingesting alcohol, when done responsibly and in great moderation, is a sin.
Hatred, gossip, anger, wishing people dead, creating or perpetuating injustice, withholding mercy,these are sins, and cannot be "enjoyed" even in moderation. But these are alive and well, even on this board, aen;t they? -
One of the nice things about being a Lutheran is we don't have to worry about such things. Of course, Jesus drank fermented wine.
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I can say that, I'm PC(USA), and we don't, either. -
I think that is the first time anybody has ever accused me of being a liberal.
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I can say that too -- PC(A) and we don't either. We even have wine at our small group Bible Studies.
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If Jesus had made an alcoholic wine, He would have been contributing to other men's drunkenness, seeing they would have been drunk already because they 'had well drunk.'
We have been over this issue so meny times it is pathetic. People trying to prove that the spotless Lamb of God was nothing but a sinner by proving He was a drunk. By proving that He contributed b to man's debauchery.
I am sorry, my Jesus was not like that. Maybe your Jesus was, but mine walked this earth a sinless man. He did not drink alcoholic wine, He was not a glutton. He committed no sin in the eyes of His heavenly Father. -
He drank wine and He didn't sin. Is that too hard to believe?
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Yes, it is hard to believe since nowhere in the Bible can one verse be found that says that Jesus drank wine.
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original post was the beginning of a silly argument, and I was moved to delete it.
God Bless.
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Go ahead and add to the book. You know the results.
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Did I add anything? Nope.
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Nothing in the Bible indicates that Jesus drank wine? OK. Interesting theology, that.
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I'm pretty dissappointed you'd say something like that. I mean, it doesn't say in the Bible that Jesus ever got sick, or took a bath, or used the bathroom, but that stuff happens to humans.
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Apparently those in Jesus' day believed He drank wine with alcohol---and Jesus did not correct this as a matter of fact He states He drank wine that John would not drink and they called him a winebibber (literally translated excessive drinker or drunkard). To say that Jesus did not drink alcoholic wine is to make this whole verse of no effect. And to say that the Bible teaches to drink wine is a sin, is adding to Scripture. Never in the Bible does it teach that drinking wine is a sin, if it did then Jesus would have sinned---not possible.
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is it possible to drink alcoholic wine and become intoxicated?
if there's alcohol (which is a toxin) in wine - then one is intoxicated when it is drank. right? -
no gekko, don't tell them they get intoxicated by even one sip.
Yes, I know it is a toxin, and the Bible forbids it, yet they hold their alcohol dear to them. Don't burst their bubble. -
He drank the passover cup, which was wine.
Alcohol isn't evil. Neither is money. But God through his word rightly warns us about abusing or loving either. It only brings ruin.
However wine itself is lovely. Paul told Timothy to drink some for the sake of his stomach.
I think Jefferson said it best: "[Naturally occuring alcoholic beverages] are proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy".
Jesus very well may have felt it. This is only scandalous for people who view alcohol as inhernetly not a part of God's divine plan - which it is a part of!
Jesus said of the wine at his last supper "This cup is my blood of the new covenant". The only time he mentioned the new covenant was within the context of a cup of passover wine.
And, of course, if Jesus and the apostles had been prohibitionists from the getgo, we'd have evidence of this in the early church or those writing about the early church.
Bear in mind that the people watching the pentecost happenings thought that the apostles were drunk; if they never touched alcohol, that probably wouldn't have been the first thing on their mind.
Bear also in mind that the Son of Man was called " a glutton and a drunkard" because while John the Baptist fasted, Christ did not.
Alcohol is a "toxin" only in that someone said "let's define it thus".
Intoxicate means "To stupefy or excite by the action of a chemical substance such as alcohol." It doesn't mean to poison, though that can be a definition.
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