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Did Jesus Have the Same nature as Adam. Or All of Us then?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 9, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Was/is He with the same type of Humanity Adam had when was created, sinless Humanity, or does He share in the exact same humanity that all of us have?
     
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    Hebrews 2:14-18; 4:15.
     
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    Yes, Jesus was God Incarnated as a Human being, but was His nature also sinless humanity, not sinner as ours all are?
     
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    1 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Question... When was that?... Brother Glen:)
     
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    He never became though a sinner, nor did his nature ever take on the sin nature...
     
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    The concept that we are "born sinners" is, in my view, a misconception of popular modern preaching.

    Man is not "born with a sin nature" as though it is a disease passed down from generation to generation, he is born outside of relationship to God, separated from God, which is why he sins. It is true that our nature has a proclivity to commit sin, because we are not born new creatures, but born fallen men. But that is quite different from being born with a sin nature, or, born sinners in the sense that it is apart of us inherited from our parents. What is inherited from Adam all the way down to us is the separation from God we are born into.


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    Darrell I kindly disagree!... How would you answer David's declaration in the Psalms?... Brother Glen:)

    Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
     
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    It's very simple, he was conceived and born into a fallen world.

    The context of Psalm 51 deals with the sin...David committed. So in other words, David is essentially saying...I never stood a chance, thus I throw myself on your mercy.

    Have you ever thought that the reference is to his mother's condition as well? Not in the sense that she sinned and became pregnant, but that her condition was that of condition all men are born into?

    Secondly, shall we make Scripture to combat itself?


    Psalm 139:13-15
    King James Version (KJV)

    13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

    14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

    15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.


    16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.


    So which is it? He was shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin, and...fearfully and wonderfully made?

    David simply speaks of the hopeless condition of man, and his dependence on God. Nothing in the verse to support that man has a disease called sin, and much that points out man is born without life, separated from God, and destined to sin.

    That does not mean we impose sin on babies in the womb. They are condemned from conception due to their separation from God, not because they are sinful.


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    We all inherit Original Sin, as all of us became spiritual dead due to the fall of Adam...
     
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    Do you not recognize a statement concerning the birth of Christ versus the birth of David?
     
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    The answer is a resounding "yes".

    Jesus shared in the same exact humanity that we have, but without sin. In fact, if you remove this exact same humanity (the humanity that we, who are made after Adam) have then you negate Christ's role as high priest. The author of Hebrews does not point to Adam prior to the Fall but rather to us (to men with the kind of humanity from which high priests were chosen) to prove that Christ came in the likeness of "sinful flesh", shared in our weaknesses, and can sympathize with us.

    There is one difference, however, in that so often men have "unnatural passions". This, according to Scripture, is not something men are born with but something to which God gives men over. So I don't think that you can say that Jesus was tempted to steal, to lie, to cheat, to engage in immoral behavior, etc. But I do think that you can say that Jesus was tempted in all points (with natural desires of the flesh) as we are. He was tempted to eat when on an extended fast, perhaps to marry, to exercise dominion over which he has absolute dominion, to avoid the cross. But he submitted these desires of the flesh to the will of the Father, and prayed "not my will but thine".
     
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    We all inherit separation from God.

    Scripture to support that sin is a disease passed through the body or spirit?


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    What I recognize is that Messianic Psalms are applicable to both David and Christ.

    David praises God for his formation in the womb, and acknowledges God's Sovereignty over all Creation.


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    Romans 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:

    When Adam sinned we all sinned (past tense).

    We come into this world dead in trespasses and sins.

    This is why we do not have to teach our precious little ones to sin.
    This is why sin is universal in the human race.

    An apple tree is an apple tree by nature whether it bears fruit or not
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    We are sinners by nature.

    HankD
     
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    So much for your actually understanding that some psalms are written specificly or in part as prophetic.
     
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    Jesus did not have sinful humanity....that is error.
     
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    Exactly.

    This is validated in Hebrews 5:

    7In the days of his flesh, Jesusa offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. 8Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. 9And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, 10being designated by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.​


    The words “and being made perfect” does not mean a progress, but a single word in the original that perfection was from the very formation, unlike David who was sinful from the very formation.
     
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    What do you mean when you use the word "nature" ??
     
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    That's a made-up Doctrine, and you won't find any Bible verse which states that. Pure fiction
     
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    Who do we supposedly inherit the separation from?
     
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