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Discussing Christian persecution is hate speech.

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by MartyF, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. MartyF

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    Wow, who do they think he hates?
     
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    Google/YouTube say that Islam is a protected minority--guess they know who is guilty of these widespread and years long murders of Christians. Google/YouTube are collaborators.
     
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    The devil does not want the Christian religion promoted in the world, he is the enemy opposition.
    The Son of God came to earth and gave to US an understanding to know them, the Trinity, but those who are of the world are of the devil, v19, and do not know Christ, while we are of God. Luke 10 also shows this that God chose to whom He would reveal His Son and the Son chooses according to His will (the Son's will ) who would know the Father and His own Self. That is what makes us of God, that we have have been chosen to know the truth and be saved. God does that by making you born of Himself so you are then one of His family, and it is His family that He saves and no one else.

    1 John 5
    18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
    19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

    20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
    21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    Luke 10
    21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.

    22 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
     
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    Thank you!

    Yes it is demonic. The main agents are Islam, which commands that Christians and Jews be slain, and communism. Xi Jinping is very active in persecuting Christians and has a concentration camp system larger than Mao had.
     
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    I know academics. They will say he paints with too broad a brush. He says Muslims in Muslim majority countries and Islam, not violent extremists in Islam, are the persecutors. He does not understand the conservative vs moderate Muslim divide. Failing to take into account there are more than one camp of people in Islam. Therefore, since it villifies Islam as a whole, then it is hate speech.

    I think the video maker should have been more careful with his speech. Matthew 10 tells us to be evangelists that are shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. The internet's social media is a missions field, except for restricted forums like Baptist Board. I always am extra careful with my words on social media because of Matthew 10.
     
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    The problem is with the Quran that tells Muslims to slay the infidel.
     
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    Agreed that the Quran when interpreted straightforwardly is a big problem. Issue is that moderate Muslims interpret the Quran in light of the modern world. Thus, they would say you quoted it wrongly. Witnessing to moderates is tricky then, but we should take into account they do not approve of what happens in the Islamic World. I know some moderate Muslims.
     
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    Ahem. I don’t think you know who David Wood is. He is a well known Christian apologist and the best known one concerning Islam. He is very successful and experienced with this.

    David Wood’s first convert from Islam was Nabeel Qureshi. He has far more converts from Islam than anyone else. The truth is that this video of his was rather tame. This is his usual fare on Youtube:

     
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    That's an easy one. He doesn't hate anybody. By definition, it is hate speech to point out those who hate Christians, whites, men, heterosexuals, and most of all, those who hate those who are all four.
     
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    That may need a bit more explanation. He cited countries that have a high degree of surveillance: China and India. He cited countries with extremist Muslim groups. He cited the violence of militant Islam. He cited wartorn Iraq and Syria.

    Then he noted that 15 of the top 20 worst places of persecution against Christians are Muslim majority countries. He contrasts this with the message of people in Europe and America who ignore this when describing Islam as a relgion of peace and tolerance. Again, this point contrasts places where Islam dominates versus Europe and America where it does not (yet).
     
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    I disagree with my earlier assessment. I have had time to consider this a clear violation of 1st amendment rights and YouTube should be sued. All evangelism on YouTube is threatened if moderate Muslims become a specially protected minority.

    Now, as for the broader context of why they are protected. Moderate Muslims that embrace the modern world are considered unlike the "criminals" and "extremists." This may seem like splitting hairs, but it is deadly serious to moderate Muslims. Who themselves face persecution in the Islamic World at the hands of literalists of the Quran that reject modernity.

    They sincerely believe their modernist interpretation of Islam is superior to faith in Jesus Christ as Christians. That it is a religion of peace and women's rights and love. As crazy as that sounds to us, knowing anything about the history of the greater Middle East.

    The way imams and moderate Muslim politicians put it, there is a "war for the soul of Islam" going on. President Bush the junior bought into this distinction and called Islam a religion of peace. The foreign policy of the US, especially since the Arab Spring, is about enabling moderates over literalists. Sadly, Sebastian Gorka, who advised President Trump, seems to have convinced him of this "religious civil war" too.

    That context given. I think you can see how Islamic history is more like the violent extremists than the modern world.
     
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    Wow, the Muslims I know would just be enraged. They would just grow in hate.
     
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    I've also interacted with some friendly Muslims who were convinced of the superiority of Islam. They also seemed perfectly comfortable with its enforcement, that is, laws forbidding converting from Islam on pain of death. They, however, could come up with no rational defense of that position. They didn't strike me as being close to ready for a Spring.
     
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    I can see how devout Muslims would be offended by that video. However, I'm not sure those of the peace and love version would be enraged to the point of growing in hate. That just sounds a bit incongruent. But maybe I misunderstood the idea.
     
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    No, you're right, because Acts 17 ministries uses a lot of satire, which in our culture justifies a lack of reverence. I just had to do more research.

    That said, the Muslims I know are pretty devout and academic, so I would send them to a debate with a Muslim thinker before satire. Something Acts 17 ministries does too. I get that this ministry uses a lot of methods to reach out.

    I know Morocco is considered a nice place by my Muslim friends, even though it still persecutes minorities.
     
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    Of course, devout Muslims would be offended because you and I are dhimmitude and therefore second-class or non-human and devoid of human rights.
     
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