Monergism or Synergism: which is the actual gospel?
That is the question of the OP.
You did not answer it.
I mentioned 1 Cor 15:2 to you.
The actual gospel is monergistic because no one's faith is in vain, no matter how bad
things are. A believer may not "keep in memory" what Christ teaches. But God will
not abandon him.
2 Timothy 2:10-26. Broad context by Paul available by clicking on the link.
"If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful; he cannot deny himself."
Another rendering is:
"If we are faithless, he remains faithful."
Their faith was never in vain! They may been defeated. but God was faithful.
What a Great and loving God!
He keeps and preserves all that he calls. The Elect.
Do Calvinists Distort the Gospel?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Jan 25, 2018.
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Thanks to a wise and knowledgeable BrianT, we have this outstanding thread, “Do Calvinists
Distort the Gospel?” A study on Monergism and Synergism: which is the actual Gospel?
What I have said here confirms the validity of the fifth point of T.L.E.P. “The Preservation of the Saints.” (Tom corrects those who think it should be “I” for Irresistible Grace, replacing it with “E,” for efficacious grace.)
First, let me say Bob, you are hopelessly confused by Law and grace. Also, you cannot “will”
to be saved.
1 Cor 6 "does exist.”
The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God
; neither will people, “Christians,” who only profess faith, but do not have changed lives.
Some were wicked until they were cleansed by the Holy Spirit, sanctified, and justified.
God changed them, they did not change themselves.
True Christians are changed by God. By His power, they will never change back.
They will always be sanctified and justified.
"Who ever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God" (1 John 3:9, KJV).
Sin always starts in the heart. In our inmost being. We are drawn out by our own desires. We are tempted by them and choose to give in to them. By confessing and repenting we are restored to our state of positional holiness. It is as if we had never sinned.
When a man responds to the wooings of God the Holy Spirit, He comes in him. He remains in him. The Holy Spirit is sinless. He cannot be in the company of sin. The spirit of the man is sinless. He does not commit sin. He is born of God.
Because the inner part of man does not sin he has eternal security. But he can still sin outwardly. He can be as sinful as unbelievers and continue in repeated sin. He can lose his faith and still be saved. “If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: for he cannot deny himself” (2 Tim 2:13).
God loves this man infinitely and the man, completely conformed to the image of Christ, loves Him immeasurably. He sacrificed the life of His only Son, in one space of time, a sacrifice for all of the sins of his people (the Elect), past, present, and future.
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Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member
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"I forgave you all the debt.. hand him over to the torturers until he should repay ALL... so shall My Father do to each one of you if you do not forgive your brother from your heart" Matthew 18
"you stand only by your faith.. you should fear for if He did not spare them He may not spare you either" Romans 11
" 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance" Hebrews 6 -
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1 John 3 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother
That is all about outward practice not inward wishful thinking.
1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; -
Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member
Jesus said that even little children can understand (Mark 10:15, Luke 18:17). I choose to believe that it is easier for a child to believe that Jesus loved everyone of them instead of choosing to believe that it is easier for a child to believe that He chose some of them to live with Him for eternity and chose others to go to a Christ-less eternity.
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I have revised my post:
The wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God; neither will people, “Christians,” who only profess faith, but do not have changed lives.
Because the inner part of man does not sin he has eternal security. But he can still sin outwardly. He can be as sinful as unbelievers and continue in repeated sin. But God will discipline him. If he refuses God's discipline, God may even take his life! (1 Cor 11:17-34). He can lose his faith and still be saved. “If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: for he cannot deny himself” (2 Tim 2:13).He can lose his faith and still be saved. “If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: for he cannot deny himself” (2 Tim 2:13). -
Christ does not condemn the lost. They are condemned already.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. -
Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member
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Can they change their condemnation by simply believing in Him, as Jesus said two verses prior? -
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God, and God alone, is able to save souls. That any of us are saved is the result of pure Grace, not according to our works of any sort.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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