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only for believers. Unbelievers will still have to answer. They do not have Christ's righteousness imputed to them. They are not covered under the blood.
Of course. Believers are covered by the blood, unbelievers are not.
It's what they have done. everything. They works would include sin.
But that's true too.
Do Sinners go to hell due to rejection of Christ/Or Their Sin Natures?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, May 5, 2011.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
i was not familiar with this person...i will give it a read as time permits -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Skan,
fatalism has a god who is a spectator,and a victim....reacting to creation and the creatures ,like a cowboy trying to get control of a run-away stagecoach before it goes over the cliff....he kind of wishes for it to happen but he really cannot determine the outcome for sure. Things happen that he has to see first,then figure out what he would like to happen ,even though it happens regardless of what he wills to happen.
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More food for thought
Iconoclst....
More of the proverbial "food for thought" for you, and any other Calvinists...
AiC
http://www.eternalsecurity.us/last_refuge_of_calvinism.htm -
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If you are sincere, I will take a look. I want truth not error.I think most in here are searching to come to truth. The truth belongs to God.
I make it a practice to search out, and search for the strongest views that would oppose what I hold. Although each one of us at this point have a view that we hold...it can and should be always improved upon.
Although having read many of these kind of views in times past, I already have an idea of what I might find....I will try to give it a fair reading...
For it to really get my attention it will have to have some substance to it.
As I have sought to read opponents of calvinism...I have sought out some of the most substantial calvinistic theologians also.....seeing what verses they offer,and what responses they have to these issues.
After awhile it all settles down somewhere.
You might have noticed:wavey: I am not shy about taking a stand for truth.
If something I hold is less than truth,and defective, I would like to believe that I would be granted grace by God to cast aside my own fleshly pre-suppositions...and adopt the new found biblical ones.
Where I lack patience is when I see someone just attack a position that it is clear they really do not grasp [recently GLfredrick has expressed frustration over this]....
Or if open error and heresy is proudly posted....I feel that to not call the poster into question would be sinful neglect...like watching a mugger assault an old lady and do nothing !
I enjoy J.C.Ryle.....even though he had a different view of the atonement.
Richard Baxter is very convicting to read on the christian life[a christian directory] if you just read the table of contents you get convicted of sin !...but many in the Reformed camp can find fault with his views of grace.
All of us are defective in many ways:thumbs: that is why God has promised to work in us to will and to do of His good pleasure....if left to our own devices we would muff it up worse than we do.
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AIC<
good quote.....will respond in detail later..showing the good part of the quote,and where the writer loses control of himself emotionally:applause:
Skan, I will try to do that later on...when my driving endsabout 400 m iles from now,lol It is an important topic and worth the time and thought.
Quantum, will also get back to this later on, just typed a brief answer to your other post -
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If Calvinism is true, then people do not go to hell because of sin or unbelief, they go to hell because God chose to pass them by.
You can try to explain this away, but this is the logical conclusion of Calvinism.
If God has elected a person before the foundation of the world, then that person will be regenerated by God and irresistably believe in Christ and will have their sins forgiven and go to heaven.
If God has passed over a person, this person is dead before they even commit sin and cannot possibly be forgiven for this original sin or any actual sins they commit later and will go to hell.
If we have no control over whether we can believe or not, and if we are born dead in sin, not because of anything we have done, but because God caused us to inherit Adam's sin, then the only one who determines whether we go to heaven or hell is God himself. -
If Calvinism is true, then people do not go to hell because of sin or unbelief, they go to hell because God chose to pass them by.
You can try to explain this away, but this is the logical conclusion of Calvinism.
If God has elected a person before the foundation of the world, then that person will be regenerated by God and irresistably believe in Christ and will have their sins forgiven and go to heaven.
If God has passed over a person, this person is dead before they even commit sin and cannot possibly be forgiven for this original sin or any actual sins they commit later and will go to hell.
If we have no control over whether we can believe or not, and if we are born dead in sin, not because of anything we have done, but because God caused us to inherit Adam's sin, then the only one who determines whether we go to heaven or hell is God himself.
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Now, you are correct that both believers and unbelievers are sinners. What i stated was that sin is the primary reason people go to hell. The secondary reason is their rejection of Christ. So when they stand at the Great White Throne Judgment and what they have done is judged, they will be condemned because of their sin. A believer will have the blood of Christ covering their sins and will be presented faultless before God. So we will be justified and be able to be with God in heaven. The unbeliever will have to go to hell because of his sins and rejection of the Savior.
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