Featured Do you see Two Different levels of the Holy spirit Among believers today?

No one is starting a fight...this is a debate forum/general discussion forum...
no one is derailing the thread....

When ideas are posted, they can be believed, expanded on, questioned, or corrected. Dude puts forth ideas that are unbiblical.[in this thread] I ask him to show what he has to support his claims...he offers nothing but ad hominem response??
That is not acceptable.

PNS....there are many verses used to teach that these revelatory gifts have ceased. I would offer them to you...if you would like to interact with them.
I welcome any biblical response.
Let me say for now there are a few ways this doctrine is approached.

1] what were sign gifts?

2] what was there purpose?

3] when , where, and how were they used by God ?

4] apostolic uniqueness

5] a closed canon[rule of scripture}...ie, the faith ...ONCE FOR ALL Delivered to the saints

as an introduction....from the 1689 confession of faith;

 

there are many verses used to teach that these revelatory gifts have ceased.

Can you list them? Do they stand on their own or does this teaching need to be explained verse by verse as you go? In other words, if you were to tell a new believer
"Here is a group of scriptures that tell us the gifts have stopped"

 

PNS.....
The verses are many and need some understanding..

you are looking for one or two verses like this....

but that is not the way to understand this issue....
To come to truth at the very least...all those issues I listed,and more have to be dealt with. Are you familiar with those issues at all..Apostolic uniqueness for example? Do you know which chapters would support the teaching??? Do you know what the teaching is??



it would take a new thread to present it.....that can be done...but not tonight.

PNS...let me say it like this...i can teach pentecostal teaching...inside out. I know about your smith wigglesworth, william branham, alexander dowie, and all the false teachers in our day.
I can teach the verses and make a better case for it...then Dude....who did not offer one.....i can teach it...but know it is incorrect,and why it is incorrect.

can you present the other side ??? or is the teaching you hold to the only one you have been taught?

 

So Say You...

:thumbsup:

 

Yes I can present the other side, and was not taught this in my beginning. Just wanted your take on it, and you are right, it would take another thread. Thanks for the info.

 

So dude...have you cleared your inbox yet????

 

Well..okay...what we can do tommorow is start another thread. I would like for you to present my side of the issue...in other words take the brief outline i offered ...and offer a few verses, or a sentence or two about each idea expressed....i will see what you have on it...then respond if you like...How does that sound?

 

Why would I present the opposing side when I have witnessed healing and other gifts? I am going to study your take on it and maybe a Calvinistic veiwpoint if I can find a site on the web. Sorry for getting off the OP friends.

 

We should study it because we want to obey GOd's word. I spoke with a woman who was very nice and sincere, who told me that the angel moroni appeared in her living room and assured her that the book of mormon was 100% from god. She also said she saw it. WAS she wrong?
On what basis would you question her experience? She ...just like you claimed ...she saw it!

 

Note, I clarified your post above. As with Baptists being different on various issues (such as having a Private Prayer Language), emphasis on speaking in tongues varies and is expressed differently, by different Pentecostal ministers.

 

I could not question it with any real basis. She believes what she saw. I can say that Moroni is not in scripture, and it was more than likely Satan to misguide her. My experience was not an apparition. It was woman who had been deaf since birth. You could yell at the top of your lungs behind her and she would not hear. Over 30 in the church knew her and acknowledged this. After the laying on of hands, the woman now hears perfectly. Was this wrong? No. Was it Satan? Satan does not heal. Satan is trying to destroy. Was it the result of a person with the gift of healing? I do not know. The bible also says that true believers will heal in His name, and that teaching says nothing of the gifts. Can I prove this healing to you? No. So I would not take the position of proving gifts have ceased as a study basis because what I've seen might of been a gift. I'll close here because this is another subject entirely.

 

I've...

...forwarded the problem to a specail committee, and they assure me it will be fixed soon! :laugh:

 

PNS.

The word of God is the basis to measure all experiences by.Her experience was not of God at all.....she needed to be told that.
I am glad to hear that God restored the womans hearing in your church.
All healing comes from God. We have experienced God healing in answer to prayer.We have also experienced God not healing in answer to prayer also.

With the healing.....it was not a sign gift. It was God healing in answer to prayer. Sign gifts have ceased having been foundational.

 

Well ...until they fix it....let me just say that the message you sent is similar to what I would have to say about your views and imput in your posts...:laugh::laugh: That is the nature of it dude.
You can do whatever you wish,and post what you do. I will do likewise.

 

Throw out the Anglican transliteration and translate the word as immersed. Being immersed in the Holy Spirit is not limited to speaking in tongues. I have seen tongues speakers on Sunday who do not pay their bills on Monday.

 

That is exactly right. I never heard of "two levels of the Holy Spirit." I guess in a sense that would change the Trinity into a group of four known as the Quad God.