I am serious; Would someone please explain to me in a non-biased fashion the basic dif. in Fund. Baptist & Southern Baptist SB Doctrine
Doctrinal Differances
Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Berean, Mar 2, 2009.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The main difference is in separation. IFB's refuse to cooperate with any other church.
It is important to note that the SBC is not a denomination but a cooperative of Independent Baptist Churches. Now within that cooperative there are liberal churches and Fundamental conservative churches. -
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It depends on your personal stance, and where you fall in the conservative/liberal spectrum...
Some I see as Conservative.. others may see as liberal.
What Rev is trying to say... (I THINK>>> LOL) is that within the SBC there is a wide range of differing churches...
Same as in the ABC/USA... which I am a part of... I would fall on the conservative side within our denomination.
Although.. I am probably more liberal when IFBs view my stance...
Conservative/liberal is in the eye of the beholder...
As for the OP... Rev is right.. ecclesiastical seperation is the real key to understanding the differences... -
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The reason cooperaton becomes so important is the cooperative program and SBC Churches emphasis on missions. If our smaller SBC Church in Ohio didn't cooperate in missions how limited would we be in trying to fulfill the great comission? I would assume that there are some conservative and liberal Churches in both groups. Although the SBC has been doing some house cleaning there for a number of years now. :godisgood: :jesus:
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Attitude is probably the huge difference between the two groups rather than doctrine.
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Revmitchell: // It is important to note that the SBC is not a denomination but a cooperative of Independent Baptist Churches. Now within that cooperative there are liberal churches and Fundamental conservative churches. //
Amen, Brother Revmitchell - You are so RIGHT ON!!
THEOLDMAN: // Who are these "liberal" churches in the SBC ? //
In my town of Norman Oklahoma the most 'liberal' (actually more liberal than the grandaughters - in other words (i.e.) moderate) church is the First Baptist Church of Norman, Oklahoma. It contributes both to the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) and MSBC (Main Stream Baptist Convention)
My smaller Local Church, a grandaughter church of the FBC-Norman, is highly Conservative, well more than FBC-Norman and less than most IFB - independent fundamental Baptist churches.
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attitude
That's been my experience as an SBC pastor. My dad lived in Florida for awhile and while he lived there he became a part of a couple of IFB Churches. When I came to visit and go to Church with him he would always introduce me. The one Church a layman met us before we went into the sanctuary and when he asked what type of Church I pastored I said southern baptist. He said, "Oh I'm sorry".
I said that's ok I'm not and I forgot about it. A few years later when he attended another one I visited on fathers day. The pastor called me by name and let the Church know that ball players and movie stars were not their heros but pastors adn missionaries. Then he proceeded to have me stand at the back of the sanctuary and the folks came by and gave me money as they left morning worship service. He said we could go out to eat and have a great fathers day that way. Attitudes vary among those two groups!!!:laugh: :godisgood: :jesus: -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I have been in both. I know other wise -
(wow, when those two agree :smilewinkgrin: :love2: )
check this BB poll link -
So when you say that IFB churches do not cooperate with other churches, you are simply wrong.
It may be that the IFB churches you were a part of did not, but that doesn't fairly represent other IFB churches. -
However, it is interesting that associate fulfilling the GC with supporting missionaries. I disagree. A church that doesn't support any missionaries can be very active in fulfilling the GC. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Well if you are involved with a group of IFB churches that cooperate then God Bless you all. But there is a very large portion, and especially many of those that came out of the Hyles era that hold to a doctrine that says separation is biblical. Meaning no cooperating with other churches. -
But the idea that IFB churches don't cooperate with other churches is just wrong on its face. Mission agencies like Baptist World Mission and Baptist Mid Missions are the result of the cooperation of IFB churches. Many states have state associations such as the Independent Fundamental Baptist Association of Michigan or the Minnesota Baptist Fellowship. And there are many other examples. -
Check out this link to Saddleback
http://saddlebackfamily.com/servicetimesanddirections/index.html
In my opinion, any chuch that has different "venues" for your preference of style of worship, including an outdoor cafe, and a hard rock concert ,
Is Liberal
This is not biblical seperation...it is bringing the world into the church.
AJ -
This is an unpopular stance around here.
It seems too many people these days are trying to bring God down to them instead of lifting themselves up to God through faith, obedience, prayer and bible study. We are supposed to be conformed to His image, not conform His image to ours. -
I know its unpopular, but if they would go to the link and click on the different "venues" of worship, then they would see how worldly and ridiculous it is.:love2: -
Did you notice the worship service that they have for singles?
Is the purpose to go to church to find a wife or husband?
It does say
If you’re a single adult who enjoys current Christian music, this service is for you. Every Saturday evening following the message, get to know other singles at different planned events
Sounds like a dating service to me
AJ
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