Does authorized by a king mean authorized by God?

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  1. SGO Well-Known Member

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    I like this calling me a liar.
    We just have different views.
    You want to prove me wrong for thinking the KJV is the word of God in English.
    Your arguments won't change my mind because only God changed it.
    I won't change your mind either.
    I know whom I am not.

    You cannot even provide one verse to say the only the originals are inspired so you are a little upset and find other questions to beleaguer me with.
    You have realized I cannot and will not play on your level which given you a license to insult.
    Yet you maintain you are a man of integrity.
    Dream on.

    "Isaiah 40:8 was stated long before 1611." I have never claimed, "The word of our God shall stand for ever" originated with the KJV.
    That is a misstated LIE by you.

    It means that the word of God is for ever.

    The word of God is in the KJV text entirely and partially in other English translations.
    That you can fault me for, if it is a fault.

    You should change the version you read to one you think is THE word of God, then you will be much happier.

    Thy words were found,
    and I did eat them;
    and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of my heart;
    for I am called by thy name,
    O Lord God of hosts.
    Jeremiah 15:16


    When we are in heaven together we won't be arguing so much.
     
  2. SGO Well-Known Member

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    Yogi those are not Boo-Boos.

    Don't worry, just find something that has all the word of God.


    I read about your wife's miracle and it made me rejoice that you got to have her for more time.
     
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    Things such as "Easter" in Acts 12:4 certainly IS a booboo !

    Every valid Bible translation does.


    God has kept her here to see & love our grandchildren. (& one great-grandchild so far!)
     
  4. SGO Well-Known Member

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    Easter was explained to you but your mind is veiled.
    After all the energy you have expended in fighting the word of God you cannot submit to it.

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
    2 Timothy 3:16

    As for God,
    his way is perfect:
    the word of the Lord is tried:
    he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
    Psalm 18:30


    If it is not the inspired word of God it is not valid.

    Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.
    Matthew 24:35

    Every word of God is pure.
    He is a shield to them that put their trust in him.
    Proverbs 30:5


    Great to hear she can enjoy the grandchildren+ and you too.
     
  5. Logos1560 Well-Known Member
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    2 Timothy 3:16 was also clearly explained to you in the context of the whole counsel of God, but your mind seems to be veiled or your eyes blinded to seeing the truth that inspiration concerned the giving of the Scriptures to the prophets and apostles.

    You do not clearly explain what you think the verse means, and you point out no scriptural problems with my explanation.
     
  6. SGO Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but you have not provided even one "scripture" that actually says "only the originals are inspired,"
    so why should I accept your explanation of 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God...?

    If you do not believe all scripture is inspired of God
    and
    the word of God shall stand for ever,
    what do you have to hold on to?
     
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    Because you may refuse to see it or are blind to seeing it does not mean that it has not been soundly explained to you. The Scriptures should be interpreted and understood in harmony and in context of the whole counsel of God.

    Perhaps you may understand and interpret isolated verses in a way that could make them conflict with what is stated in other verses. No one may know how you understand the isolated out-of-context verses since you do not explain clearly what you understand them to mean.
     
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    Show me the verse in the Holy Bible that says, "ONLY the originals are inspired", and I will not call you Mr. Baloney.

    All scripture is inspired by God...
    2 Timothy 3:16
     
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    the Kjv can be your standard for English, but others can have Nas/Esv/Nkjv as theirs!
     
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    the inspiration promised form God was in the Originals, but He also did preserve then gist of them into the Hebrew and Greek texts used today, and the MV and Kjv translations!
     
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    The Kjv was NOT spoken of in the Bible period!
     
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    No, neither did the 1611 translators say it was in their version!
     
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    Refers to the original words recorded down!
     
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    They had to be recorded down by inspired authors, no translators were promised to have inspiration of the prophets and Apostles of the lord!
     
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    No it does not refer ONLY to them and you don't have them any way.

    Try offering a bible verse to back your statement.

    Unless the originals are in your coat closet.

    Didn't you get saved from hearing the eternal word of God?

    The word of our God shall stand for ever.
    Isaiah 40:8

    So then faith cometh by hearing,
    and hearing by the word of God.
    Romans 10:17
     
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    Were the Translators granted inspiration to translate into English same degree prophets and Apostles had been then?
     
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    I never said that they couldn't.

    Let me clarify it to you so there's no misunderstanding:

    In my opinion,
    Professing Christians are involved in a mess of epic proportions... especially since just the English-speaking ones cannot even agree on a single standard in their own language.
    I agree.
    The original inspiration, or "God-breathed" part of the Bible, was performed by the Lord in many instances.
    But that was long ago.
    "The gist"?
    Are you telling me that we don't have God's actual words preserved for us somewhere?

    That no translation can be considered to be God's actual words?
    I'm well aware of that, Dave, but thank you for pointing it out.
    In fact, the "King James Version" is a translation ( albeit a very good one ), and it does represent God's word in English.

    But no mention of translations, general or specific, is made in the Scriptures.

    However, the question remains:
    Where can I find God's word?
     
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    So do the Nas/Esv/Nkjv represent the English word of the Lord to us!
     
  19. Dave G Well-Known Member

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    You're not going to get me to agree that anything using the "Critical Text" is God's word in its entirety, Dave.
    I'm sorry, but I stopped believing that over 20 years ago now.

    However,
    I will state that anything based on it does indeed contain God's words,
    but to me, they are not God's word as a whole.
     
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    Were all of the added words placed into the Kjv by the translators all the word of God?