Yes, except you ignore the very next verse;
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
This verse says those who fear God and work righteousness are accepted with him. Hardly unconditional.
Here you left out the preceding verses.
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
God will render to every man according to his deeds, again, hardly unconditional.
Yes, ALL men are sinners, and the Lord had laid on him the iniquity of us ALL. This refutes Limited Atonement.
We are chosen "in him", that is, a person is chosen when he places trust in Jesus and is baptized into his body.
Oh, you will stand before God some day and answer to him, but the scriptures DO NOT show election unconditional.
Does God show partiality?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 12strings, May 30, 2012.
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Scripture does tell us "elect according to foreknowledge." But it doesn't tell us what God foreknew.
Enough for me to know both Arminians and Calvinists recognize God initiates and completes salvation.
Sometimes we argue this stuff or the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin rather than evangelize.
Wow--just stepped on my own toes!
Edited to add: the reformed person sees God regenerating, part of which is giving the faith to receive Christ by grace. The wesleyan sees God as giving man the faith to receive Christ by grace, thus bringing regeneration.
Maybe both just describing the part of the elephant they see.
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12strings said: ↑For the Calvinists: How do you fit the belief in Unconditional Election with verses like these?Click to expand...
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Winman said: ↑Oh, you will stand before God some day and answer to him, but the scriptures DO NOT show election unconditional.Click to expand...
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nodak said: ↑Edited to add: The wesleyan sees God as giving man the faith to receive Christ by grace, thus bringing regeneration.Click to expand...
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nodak said:Scripture does tell us "elect according to foreknowledge." But it doesn't tell us what God foreknew.Click to expand...
1 Pet. 1:1-2
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.Click to expand...
1Pe 1:1 Πέτρος, ἀπόστολος ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἐκλεκτοῖς παρεπιδήμοις διασπορᾶς Πόντου, Γαλατίας, Καππαδοκίας, ᾿Ασίας καὶ Βιθυνίας,
1Pe 1:2 κατὰ πρόγνωσιν Θεοῦ πατρός, ἐν ἁγιασμῷ Πνεύματος, εἰς ὑπακοὴν καὶ ῥαντισμὸν αἵματος ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ· χάρις ὑμῖν καὶ εἰρήνη πληθυνθείη.Click to expand...
Being one of the "exiles" could be according to foreknowledge. It could be the Diaspora that is according to foreknowledge. It could even be limited to those believers who are a part of the Diaspora that is according to foreknowledge. Or, according to foreknowledge could refer to the locations listed. This is the closest antecedent to the phrase "according to foreknowledge". The exegetical options are numerous. -
OldRegular said: ↑Don't know about wesleyan's but some on this Board believe that the faith that saves is inherent in man. That essentially makes man the author of his salvation.Click to expand...
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