Does Love Require Free Will?

Your unbelieving neighbour is not as wicked as he can possibly be, since he hasn't murdered you yet.

Sin was not part of God's good creation, though it is of note that He pronounced it 'very good' and not perfect. Adam and Eve were made sinless, but defectable-- that is, they could fall.

Genesis 3:24; Psalm 14:1-3 etc.).

Indeed so (John 6:44). But Mark 10:26-27. 'And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, "Who then can be saved?" But Jesus looked at them and said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible."'

Praise God for irresistible grace! :)

 

Genesis 1:27. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.'
Genesis 5:3. 'And Adam lived 130 years, and begot a son after his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.'

 

This is why no one takes you seriously. You make up stories and claims.

 

Did God say yes to Satan's request?

Could Satan have touched Job without God giving him the authorization?

Utilyan, you are desperately forcing your man-made belief on the text.

Perhaps your version of God is not the God of the Bible.

 

Apart from God's willful drawing and calling a human out into his presence, not one person will ever turn to God and freely walk toward God. A human will always hide from the presence of God. We saw this in the Garden of Eden. We see it today in unregenerate mankind. If God does not call the person by name, that person will never come to Christ.
Therefore, there is no free will in the process of reconciliation. God either makes a person alive to God or they remain dead in their trespasses and sins.
It matters not whether a person chooses a ham sandwich or a cheeseburger. This changes not the spirit of a human. God will use both the regenerate and unregenerate to fulfill and accomplish his perfect will.

 

"Apart from God's willful drawing and calling a human out into his presence, not one person will ever turn to God and freely walk toward God."

No kidding that boundary is easily explained with why anyone is living and breathing right now compared to someone who does not exist who obviously cannot freely walk towards God.

Apart from God name one thing anyone can do at all.

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You attack character because you can't defend your theology.

You made accusation of heresy I said show us when that happened, Show us where it first shows up.

Your entire defense is based on lies and false accusations. You make up what we believe then you make up accusations with no evidence.

Debating you is an enjoyable piece of cake. :Biggrin

 

A mouse can't sneeze without God's permission. That does not mean he ordains the mouse to sneeze, that is beyond stupid.

God has ordained for the entire internet to tell you that is so stupid!

So if the internet says you are an idiot, does that mean God ordains that you are an idiot!? NO IT DOES NOT.



And My version of God? like I get a pick?
What do you mean perhaps?

Here is my version. He still would be 100% efficiently better then your whiny god.

My version of God is Jabba the Hutt.

 

We do have disagreement in that scripture teaches that God chose us , drew us, adopted us, made us alive completely apart from any willful choice of our own.

I agree that the result of this act of God's is a response of love and gratitude. That is effect, which results from the cause...that being God's effectual work of redemption.

 

You fall short of grasping the difference between God sustaining all that is His creation and God choosing, from out of that creation, a people unto Himself.

 

Blah, blah, blah.

Your church teaches heresy. I showed it within your own catechism. You continue with more blah, blah, blah...

 

Did God say yes to Satan's request.

A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

No man would ever be saved, if his will were given precedence.

Saul/Paul was saved in spite of his will to persecute and kill Christians. God did not give Paul a choice on the road to Damascus. What we observe is the response of Paul immediately after God effectually chooses Paul.

 

NO.

Hey is learning to read the last thing elect folks regenerate?

Read it again. Your reading comprehension is horrible.

It was GOD's IDEA to test Job. Satan did not request anything he is too slick, He twists the truth to how it is.

You see you keep making stuff up, That isn't even there! show me "Satan's request".

Did God ordain evil? No. what God did was righteous and perfect.

Everything God ordains is PERFECT and GOOD. God ordains all evil to be vanquished by good. But never has God been an architect and planned EVIL.

 

You are adding something to the text that is not there. What does Job 1 and 2 tell us?

You refuse to be honest with the text. Such is the lot of a person who is making his god in his own image.

 

That is absurd Menno, because your theology claims Saul/Paul has never had a will to persecute and kill Christians to begin with.

You can't half-ways say someone has free will.


Even Ananias right there in the same chapter is basicly like......well gee Lord you think saul is a good idea?

Think about it. He thinks has to let Jesus know who saul is, basicly questioning Jesus, we see Peter do it later too, And Jesus has to ask Saul why he is being percecuted.

"calvinist" - Jesus would have never put up with anything above^ He would shove his puppet hand up his saul puppet hole and be like.....oh yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah lets go Jesus lets do this!

Please....

 

You said Satan made a request. Show me that verse. Is English not your first language?