It's not a matter of what I "like". The Bible teaches that God uses means to effect His sovereign will. What is so hard for you to understand about that?
Door Knocking? C vs A
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Nov 7, 2022.
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Second, "Calvinism" is a general, organized, systematic hermeneutical method used to interpret the Bible. You need to understand that beyond the general principles, there are a lot of variations among those who you would probably lump under your idea of "Calvinism". You would be better served dealing with what I have written and not what your idea of "Calvinism" is nor the straw man you have created in your mind that is not in line with what I have written. -
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But if one does not continue in faith they can be cut off by God. (Romans 11:20-22) -
Romans 14:4 he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Jude 1:24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Further, a the story I heard goes something like this: A preacher was visiting an older woman and he was trying to make her be afraid that she might not persevere in the faith. She told him that about John chapter 10 and that no one could pluck her out of God's hand. The preacher replied, "But what if you slip through His fingers?" To which she replied, "Don't be stupid, man! I am one of His fingers!" -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
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otherwise thou also shall be cut off; from the good olive tree, the Gospel church state, into which the Gentiles were taken; and which, with respect to particular persons, may intend the act of excommunication by the church, expressed in Scripture by purging the old leaven, putting away the wicked person, withdrawing from such that are disorderly, and rejecting heretics, that is, from the communion of the church; and with respect to whole bodies and societies, an entire unchurching of them by removing the Gospel, and the ordinances of it; which threatening has been awfully fulfilled in many Gentile churches, in Asia, Africa, and Europe; and therefore may serve to awaken our fear, care, and caution, lest we should be treated in like manner."
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
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For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. -
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Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
Rom 11:22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
The bible. You seem to think these calvinist commentators are of more import than the bible, why is that? -
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Salvation is in Christ by the sovereign grace of God ALONE and not based on anything in, or done, or thought by a person. -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
Rom 11:22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
It is not bringing a charge it is that they can be cut off for unbelief. -
I believe God, and what you teach is in opposition to what God has said in His Word. I believe God's Word, @Silverhair, and not your word. -
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2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. -
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