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Drastic "Lockdowns" totally irrational, according to those at Stanford

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Aaron, Apr 1, 2020.

  1. Aaron

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    "While some epidemiologists say the virus could take months or years to run its course, Stanford biophysicist and Nobel Prize winner, Michael Levitt, says the data just doesn't support that conclusion.
    "Levitt explains controlling panic is the first priority and says the media is to blame for frightening people unnecessarily, pointing out the normal Flu has infected 38 million Americans just since September. He adds that shutting down large sections of the economy can cause its own health problems, increasing poverty and, with it, depression."
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    "Due to limited testing, they warn the fatality rates reported by the W.H.O. are meaningless, and just lead to selection bias because only patients with severe symptoms are being reported.

    "Based on mortality projections from the cruise ship, Diamond Princess, alone, the death could be as low as .05%, even lower than the seasonal Flu, which makes these drastic measures not only unnecessary, but potentially catastrophic, and, according to those at Stanford, totally irrational."

     
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    I think that Dr. Bhattacharya was saying the same thing but he has been viscously attacked just for saying that there is no real scientific information. It is in the interest of the media to make political hay out of this since the opposition leader Joe Biden is too senile to talk intelligently about anything. Indianapolis is going to have a lot of deaths because there are tens of thousands of homosexuals already sick with other diseases and also because there are vast ghettos and jammed city buses. There is definite panic in Indianapolis. Now the only thing in short supply is disinfectant but the grocery stores are still very busy even early in the morning. I think that Trump should end his press conferences for the time being. China did this on purpose and we are going to have more of this as soon as the Chinese find another virus in some wild animal.
     
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    If you honestly feel this way, the logical thing to do would be to go to your local hospital, lend a helping hand at their respiratory ward without a mask and get covid 19 as soon as possible so you can get back to work and help the economy.
     
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    Yet another ignorant thread voicing the insane comparison of this virus to a typical "seasonal flu". [​IMG]
     
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    I'll second that!
     
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    This is essentially what the Dem-witted did after Trump closed the borders to China travel, they intentionally magnified the problem by their actions, even to the point of embracing "Hug a Chinese." Had they instead instituted basic measures, the epidemic needn't have accelerated to the degree it has. And apologies after the fact cannot undo that, though most have not even apologized.
     
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    In reference to an interview in another thread, particularly disturbing was a colleague's e-mailing Dr. Bhattacharya to "get with the program." What program? That sort of phrasing from one scientist to another is not about science or truth but about politics.
     
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    Are you crazy? We are a hotspot because we have a blue city in a red state. Millions of people think this was done deliberately by China.
     
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    You are supposed to do no harm as a doctor but you are too mixed up in Democrat politics to even allow an opposing opinion to be voiced so you go around wishing sickness on people. This is still a free country--sorta.
     
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    I'm the doctor. Benjamin is a physio I believe.

    My recommendation is to encourage social distancing.

    It is Aaron's sources that say that people should not worry about that and just let themselves get sick to get it over with and prioritize the economy. But I suspect that they would want everyone else to put themselves at risk for the economy, but would isolate themselves.
     
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    They said no such thing, comrade. They're saying the drastic, despotic responses, and the @Benjamin -style hysteria is based on unreliable data and media hype, and is ineffective in stopping the spread of the virus.
     
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    Suggest an alternative that will stop the spread of the virus.
     
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    Losing the battle in the theater of evidence, your tactic is then to say you have no choice but to panic.

    I'm prayin' for ya, bruh. (Not really.)
     
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    I definitely do not advise panic. For the average person there will be little to no impact from getting coronavirus. 80% of cases recover without hospitalization. There is a wide range of severity even there from little to no symptoms to one of the worst flu-like illness of your life. It is the 20% or so case that need hospital that are the problem. And even then, most of them will recover without ICU or a ventilator.

    But the problem with both these groups is that they spread the virus very easily (and the hospitalized ones turn hospitals into epidemic sites very rapidly) and it overwhelms the hospital system because of exponential infectivity.

    What I do advise is being informed about the real risks and your contribution to those risks when you don't practice physical distancing which is currently our best weapon at combating community spread.

    In NSW, our physical distancing measures have kept our daily infection numbers below 200 as a state and they have been going down for the past week. Our biggest source of infections is from cruise ships but I am hearing reports that hospital acquired spread is starting to pick up steam.

    We have a populace that is well informed by leadership about the real risks of this virus, who in turn have been depending on public health professionals for their advice. And everyone is contributing to this battle against coronavirus, as painful as it is and we are winning for now. But the battle is far from over.
     
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    I am a Physical Therapist Assistant who strongly believes in the body's ability to heal itself and I don't mix politics into this matter at all. Most of my patients in the last couple years have been in the 70s - 90s and I have deep concern for them and many others. I don't wish any harm to them or Aaron but only wish him to look at the situation clear eyed but it is him and you and some others that are pulling politics into this and putting that obsession above critically important thinking.

    This virus is very new and look at the damage it has done! I just listened to Laura Ingraham push this narrative that their could be a large number of asymptmatic people out there along with the conspiracy theory that this shut down is a leftist ploy. Talk about hysteria!! It is not even common sense that there could be all these people already exposed and immune out there as the disease hasn't been here long enough for that to even happen on a large scale. That is wishful thinking based on hysteria over the sinking economy and it is not rational. It is worse than not rational it is DANGEROUS! We do not know yet what this disease will do. Italy currently has a 12% death rate and we are just a few weeks behind them. It is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS to let our GUARD DOWN at this time, to let this thing run its course unchecked could kill MILLIONS of people!! If we are to error it has to be on the side of caution, NOT on the side of POLITICS!

    I am extremely against the Leftist Globalist Socialist agenda but this doesn't play in the least into my thoughts of how to handle this situation at this time. I'm standing up against the foolishness of suggesting that we can put guard down and basing that on politics. I believe it will cost many MANY lives if people are not diligent to hold strong in order to slow this disease down so that we can develop treatments in order to help people get through their infections without dying. Therefore it is not only foolish to take a chance based on getting wrapped up in political paranoia and risk millions of lives BUT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT "DOING NO HARM" - I got news for you and Aaron! - To jump on a political bandwagon and encourage others to let their guard down based on these theories about Leftist takeovers of our freedoms is a paranoia that is leading to the chance of killing of killing millions of our citizens!

    That is not a risk I am willing to take! Should we come through this with the Leftist trying to impose their ideology on us I will be fight it all the way and when it is settled and such an agenda were to be taking root I would be on the front line to fight it. But I will not be a part of the killing of possibly millions in fear that they might try!!! I will fight any stupidity to encourage others to let down their guard down until our experts and common sense reasoning dictates that it is safe to do so!
     
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    Exactly. Shutting down this economy its nuts. It certainly feeds the lefts agenda.
     
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    Hell of an argument after what I just said! Great job! What a thinker you are! [​IMG]
     
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    Quite the emotional response. Idiotic but definitely over emotional.
     
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    Yep, another over emotional response.
     
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    I guess if you consider logic an emotion.

    That is the logical course of action for someone who thinks covid19 is just the flu and we need to all get back to work for the economy. How is your position different to that?
     
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