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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Matthew 11:27-30, "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

    John 3;16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

    1 John 5:1, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . ."
     
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    Great, you have quoted three verses from the Bible. And?
     
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    Easy believism is false doctrine.

    How do we "take His yoke?" By believing into Christ, which means by God crediting our faith as righteousness and on the basis of that faith in the truth, putting us into Christ spiritually. But Matthew 13 tells us superficial faith and holding on to some of our worldly treasures might not result in our faith being credited as righteousness.

    A deep commitment, results so to speak in having a "root" within us, such that we will strive to walk the talk. Live faith not dead faith. Not whitewash on the outside, but vile on the inside.
     
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    Which makes you an enemy.

    Oh, Matthew 11:27-30, John 3:16.

    Salvation which is not a gift is a false doctrine.
     
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    Did anyone say salvation is not a gift? Nope - so one falsehood being hidden by yet another falsehood.
     
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    Then do not call a simple truth a falsehooh. Salvation which is a free gift through simple faith in it is not a falsehhood.
     
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    Please address what I actually said, I am tired of addressing disinformation

    Easy believism is false doctrine.

    How do we "take His yoke?" By believing into Christ, which means by God crediting our faith as righteousness and on the basis of that faith in the truth, putting us into Christ spiritually. But Matthew 13 tells us superficial faith and holding on to some of our worldly treasures might not result in our faith being credited as righteousness.

    A deep commitment, results so to speak in having a "root" within us, such that we will strive to walk the talk. Live faith not dead faith. Not whitewash on the outside, but vile on the inside.
     
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    Sticks and stones, Sir, sticks and stones. No verse or passage supports the false doctrine of Easy Believism.

    Salvation is indeed a "free gift." (Romans 5:15, Romans 5:16, and Romans 6:23)

    Easy believism relies on "dead faith." (James 2:17 and James 2:26)

    1 John 5:11 Eternal life is "in" (within) His Son. Only faith that results in God putting an individual into Christ results in receiving the free gift. To believe otherwise is false doctrine.

    Romans 6:23, Eternal life is "in" (within) His Son. Only faith that results in God putting an individual into Christ results in receiving the free gift. To believe otherwise is false doctrine.

    Romans 1:16 says salvation is to everyone who "believes" and it is God who decides who "believes." The second and third soils of Matthew 13 did not make the grade.

    Romans 4:4-5 says it is God alone who credits or not an individuals faith, not ourselves.

    John 3:16 says everyone has eternal life who believes "into" Him, thus spiritually transferred into Him by God based on credited their faith as righteousness.

    Matthew 11:30 says those placed into Christ will find His Yoke beneficial and that is true.
     
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    Easy believism is not faith plus works in order to be justified in salvation as you seem to suppose is needed.

    Romans 4:4-5, "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

    Now Abraham was justified by his faith without works Genesis 15:6 many years prior, James 2:21, Genesis 22:12 when his was justified by his works too. False teaches do not understand this!
     
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    Did anyone say, Easy Believism is faith plus works? Nope. Did the advocate of Easy Believism suggest the only alternative is faith plus works. You bet. Is the suggestion valid? Nope

    For example, say a person fully commits to Christ and his faith is credited by God as righteousness, and he is placed into Christ.
    Has he done any works? Nope. Can he lose his salvation if he do not do works? Nope. Having such a deep root within himself, is it possible he will not strive to follow Christ? Not likely, thus a changed life provides reassurance of salvation. And an unchanged life provides the opposite.

    False arguments are used to defend false doctrine.
     
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    You are the one from the beginning making the claim easy believism is false doctrine. I, for one, argue that the genuine salvation in believing the genuine gospel is truely easy believism. To deny this, is to deny the simplicity that is in Christ.
     
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    Believe what you will Sir, I have provided what I believe is overwhelming evidence your view is false doctrine. See posts #7, #9 and #11.
    Romans 12:10-13
    Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor; not lagging behind in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer, contributing to the needs of the saints, practicing hospitality.

    Easy Believism ignores the deep commitment indicated by Matthew 13, and the difficulty living for Christ might cause. It is therefore a false doctrine, certainly destructive to the ministry of Christ.
     
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    What else is required to be saved in addition to faith in Lord Jesus, and trusting in Him and His finished work alone?
     
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    How much is a full commitment to Jesus to save us? the thief did not seem toi have more than a basic view on Jesus?
     
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    Y1 suggests something else is needed, yet another false doctrine exposed.
     
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    Note the ignorance of Matthew 13. Can Y1 say why soil #2 fell away? No, of course not.
    This is the sort of tommy-rot up with I must put. :)
     
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    No, YOU are the one that states believing in Jesus somehow not enough!
     
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    How much is a real commitment? Sounds like Lordship salvation?
     
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    One falsehood after another, Y1 did not answer as to why soil #2 fell away. Pay no attention to this person.
     
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