God has set eternity (immortality) in the hearts of all men. If men will always choose their greatest desire, how can there be a greater desire than what God has set in your heart, and according to the principle of compatibilism, how can man choose contrary to such a desire?
Ecc. 3:11 and compatibilism
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by webdog, Apr 11, 2011.
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For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
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His will is deterninistic. Our will is free.
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From Wikipedia:
"Compatibilists often seek to reconcile free will with predestination of all events specifically to allow for a God's omniscience. This is again accomplished by the typical Compatibilist definition of 'free will' as 'freedom to act'.
Compatibilism in this context holds that the religious concepts of God's sovereignty and the free will of man are, rightly understood not mutually exclusive. The all-knowing God (who sees past, present, and future simultaneously from the perspective of eternity) created human beings (who have the subjective perception of making choices in the present that have consequences for themselves and others in the future) in such a way that both are true: God is ultimately sovereign and therefore must have at least permitted any choice that a human could make, but at the same time God is right to hold humans accountable because from their perspective within the confines of serial time, humans make moral choices between good and evil. This route to reconciliation may not be entirely successful, however. Examples of criticism include the Argument from free will, and perhaps the Compatibilists often seek to reconcile free will with predestination of all events specifically to allow for a God's omniscience. This is again accomplished by the typical Compatibilist definition of 'free will' as 'freedom to act'.
Compatibilism in this context holds that the religious concepts of God's sovereignty and the free will of man are, rightly understood, not mutually exclusive. The all-knowing God (who sees past, present, and future simultaneously from the perspective of eternity) created human beings (who have the subjective perception of making choices in the present that have consequences for themselves and others in the future) in such a way that both are true: God is ultimately sovereign and therefore must have at least permitted any choice that a human could make, but at the same time God is right to hold humans accountable because from their perspective within the confines of serial time, humans make moral choices between good and evil. This route to reconciliation may not be entirely successful, however. Examples of criticism include the Argument from free will, and perhaps the Problem of Hell."
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Web. do you suppose people who fall off the upper deck catching a flyball are compatibalists?:laugh:
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Where are the compatibilists?
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Calling all compatibilists!
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Still have not received a true answer to this from a compatibilist here on the bb in almost 2 months.
Does compatibilism apply even if the desire is instilled by God? How does this reconcile with our original (human) nature?
"Compatibilism claims that every person chooses according to his or her greatest desire. In other words, people will always choose what they want-- and what they want is determined by (and consistent with) their moral nature. Man freely makes choices, but those choices are determined by the condition of his heart and mind (i.e. his moral nature). "
If God gives the desire, can our desire be greater than the desire God has given us? Yes or no will do at this point. -
Unlike Adam, who had full freedom by god to choose, we can chose still, but ONLY that which our sinful natures now allow us to...
We can chose to do good deeds, help others, join a religion, worship etc BUT
in order to come to the Living God , he MUST renew our hearts and Mind, as we cannot come to him in a saving fashion until/unless he :breaks: bondage of our will/flesh, and allows us to find Him in a saving way...
We will be able to chose to appease fully our flesh, or to do good thing and fight against its influence...
But in spiritual sense...
We MUST have God do the "work" on us/in us so that we will than seek Him and the "highest desires" as until He puts those within us, we cannot seek them! -
So are you saying that our desires stemming from our sin natures are more powerful than a desire God has implanted in you? How is sin more powerful? Remember, sin is not the only desire you have.
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A dead person does not know anything other than death, in same way, once I know by Gods grace am dead, by His grace know jesus Christ, than can turn to him and be saved!
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