I've heard the statement that the ekklesia of God must needs have eldership over it. Can anyone make the argument, from scripture?
Thanks.
Ecclesiology
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Repent-or-Burn, Oct 19, 2009.
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The Archangel Well-Known Member
Should a Church Have Elders?
Baptists and Elders
Both of these articles are from the 9 Marks website and are well worth the read. -
The ekklesia which I serve does have an elder over it. We call him our pastor. On occasion I tease him and call him Bishop.
Some Baptist churches, such as Mark Dever's, have gone to the elder-led church government, with a plurality of elders. I think there is some Biblical support for that where circumstances warrant, but I'm not ready to support it as something all Baptist churches should do.
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The setup of church government isn't a matter of a scriptural "do this or else" mandate. It's a matter of practicality. Scripture gives some guidelines, and churches are welcome to adopt and apply those guidelines to accommodate what worls for them. If they have deadons, or deacons and elders, whether they choose a more presbyterian setup, or more of a congregational setup, that's entirely up to them how they choose to run their church.
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In my church, we have gone to great lengths to dispel any notion that we run the church. We consider ourselves servants, no more. However, our congregation has assigned the deacons certain tasks. But it has also assigned certain tasks to our Finance Committee, our House and Grounds committee and the Lord's Supper Committee.
Yes, some deacon bodies act like elders. Ours tries not to. But we may not be like most Baptist churches in that regard. -
I am blessed to have a great group of deacons. Each of them serve the Lord and the church. Because of their servant's heart and attitude, we discuss what in Mark Dever's church would be elder like decisions. -
Here's my take on how deacon bodies wind up being deacon boards which act like ruling elders:
Ideally, deacons should be, and most are, wise and spiritually mature men. Their election reflects a confidence in them by the congregation. It is natural that the congregation should listen when these men speak, or give an opinion.
So I suspect in many cases, the congregation simply gave the deacons some responsibilities, and with them came the authority to get them done.
You can see where I'm going with this. There are not many steps between being a deacon body and a deacon board.
What were the wisest men in the church morphs into men who think they're smarter than most--including the pastor.