Often here on the BB, people suggest that an uneducated debater or theologian can be just as effective as an educated one. The idea is that we all have the same Holy Spirit, so education isn't that helpful for Bible interpretation. Well, yes and no.
The answer to the idea that theological education doesn't help much is the Biblical concept of what I call a trilogy of the mind: knowledge, understanding, wisdom. Now that term is not in Scripture, but the concept is there quite often, with those three terms being used together in numerous passages of Scripture. In my theology, knowledge consists of facts and their inter-relation, understanding is the ability to discern what those facts and their relationships mean, and wisdom is the ability to make the right choices in regards to those facts.
A good education may or may not give you wisdom. Wisdom is a gift from God, as witness the story of Solomon. It can be prayed for and received (James 1:5), or simply gained from diligent Bible study. Understanding can be gained to some degree in this way also, as can knowledge. But a good theological education allows one to sift through mistakes much faster. For example, in my son's new book on Rev. 1-3, he points out how Rev. 3:3 is referring to the fact that Sardis had twice been conquered by armies sneaking in.
Note the following passages which teach the trilogy of the mind. (There many others.)
Ex 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowletdge, and in all manner of workmanship,
Pr 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth [cometh] knowledge and understanding.
Pr 2:10-11 When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul; Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Da 1:4 Children in whom [was] no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as [had] ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard [it], do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Eph 1:17-18 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints.
Education: Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by John of Japan, Dec 7, 2017.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I've heard it argued in fundamental circles that education is a liberalizer and so it is frowned upon.
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Maranatha is regionally accredited, and BJU has always been known for their high academic level. Tennessee Temple, where I went wasn't known for being scholarly, but did have a lot of people with doctorates on the faculty, including James Price in the seminary, the OT editor of the NKJV and HCSB. -
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The academic background of Maranatha's "founding fathers"
From 1977-1979, MBBC Catalog:
B. Myron Cedarholm, B.A, B.D., Th.M. D.D Litt.D., L.H.D. Iowa State College, University of Minnesota, Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary, Princeton Theological Seminary, Northwestern Schools, Baptist Bible College [Denver], Bob Jones University
M. James Hollowood, B.A., Th.B., D.D., University of the City of New York, National Bible Institute, Eastern Baptist College, Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary, Central Baptist Seminary
Richard C. Weeks, B.A., B.D. M.A. D.D. Wheaton College, Albion College, Northern Baptist Theological Seminary, University of Chicago [Residence work completed for Th.D.] Pillsbury College -
When a group is defined by a strict code conduct or a narrow dogma and when they aggressively reject dissenting opinion, there is a propensity to shield and protect individuals from unorthodox inquiry.
The fact that we have a fundamental forum on this board is testimony to this idea.
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Education is not to be looked upon as knowledge, for they are not the same and distinction is appropriately made in this thread.
Folks may acquire an education but without knowledge such often bumble and stumble, often unaware or unwilling to acknowledge their own frailty, perhaps too proud to admit needing help.
Knowledge comes from hands on training. One knows by being involved and applying the education. Whether application of education is with a person or an object. One may have an education on the mechanics of driving but no knowledge of driving.
One may have a heart for the Gospel, even an exalted education in the Gospel, but until they stand in the under shepherd shoes of a local assembly and gain knowledge, that person is basically worthless.
Paul said, "That I may know... that I might fellowship in ..."
Too often (imo) churches select youth leaders who have no knowledge. They may be educated, but do not have hands on experience. These often flounder when a Godly shepherd is needed as an overseer. The same with seminary and university graduates who go out with no experience. There should be some mentoring program, oversight, guidance required as part of the training.
I contend that it matters not what a person's education level, all need to have hand on experience before granting some alphabet be added to their name.
Thankfully, in the past some fundamental educators were leaders in this, and more than one institution required students to do actual work and practice in the field as a requirement for graduation, no matter the degree emphasis. The school (who gave Dr. Bob Johns Sr. his doctorate) used to have as a motto: Head, Heart, Hand. Every graduate was required to do hands on work in the field to graduate. I don't know if this is still a requirement but in the 60's it was.
At one time the term "principal" (as the principal of the school) was known as the "principal teacher." Not one who ruled from an office, but the one who mentored and taught along side particularly the new teachers as knowledge and wisdom in the craft and gift were modeled.
I personally have little time for the alphabet added to people's names unless there is also history of knowledge and wisdom, practical work experience to demonstrate that education is also coexisting with character and a strong work ethic.
I am reminded (and have posted before) about a great medical doctor who was truly gifted in both diagnosis and surgery. Highly recognized as a teacher and mentor to other doctors. In his office was a stuffed mallard duck. On the plaque was written, "The Original Quack."
He would humbly walk the halls of the teaching hospital and few patrons knew how remarkable his skills and the depth of his insight until there was a need. Then his education, wisdom and knowledge were exposed. -
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I often have drills in my classes for that purpose. In Advanced Missions 2, which I will teach in a 2 week block in Jan., I have an exercise where the students divide into two groups, with each inventing a culture which will then be evangelized by the other group. This gives the students some hands on experience. Meanwhile, they are out soul winning every week. One of our future missionaries is working with Muslims in S. Milwaukee, and others are working with Hmong. (We recently had a Hmong couple saved.)
Again, in Greek 102 next semester, I will eventually divide the students into translation committees, where they will learn what a missionary Bible translation committee does as they translate 1 John.
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Knowledge = I know what a chair is.
Understanding = I know what a chair is for.
Wisdom = My knowledge and understanding are applied to my life and causes a change for the better (I sit down - I use my knowledge and understanding to improve my life).
Wisdom is Knowledge and Understanding in action in my life.
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I suggest you have omitted at least two very important points -
Logic & Reasoning.
Those contributing to discussions generally have sufficient education & knowledge to understand the Scriptures under discussion; wisdom (applied common sense(?)) is also needed to guide our practical understanding. It is when we seek to interpret what we are discussing that logic & reasoning take over, & often lead us in different directions. -
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You are speaking of a theologically trained person, as opposed to Church and bible study trained person ..when you say...uneducated Correct?
1 The words of Amos, who was among the herdmen of Tekoa,...No PHD...but he had God's word in his mouth..
Acts 4:13
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
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Other than that, specialized knowledge can certainly help in evangelism. I studied Japan and its religions, culture and society long and hard to help me win the Japanese. When I had the chance to win a yakuza gangster to the Lord, it helped me to know who the yakuza are and what their customs and mores are.
An area in which a theological education can help evangelism is in comparative religions. Soteriology can certainly help. If I run into someone interested in future things, eschatology can help. And so forth.
1 Tim. 5:17--"Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine." -
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As for me, I am so glad to have a godly, Scripturally deep pastor after 33 years on the mission field listening to my own sermons in another language! -
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The first and most obvious is, educated or not, if God wants to use a person, He will.
But many years ago, back in the mid-80s, I was a social worker in the hills and hollers of Appalachia. One of the people I met there was a pastor named Charles Westin (not to be confused with either the founder of Methodism or the Burn Notice guy).
He never went past the fifth grade, but his knowledge of the scriptures and his abilities as a pastor, put my own to shame.
If he lacked anything at all, I would say it was only like that of a painter who has only one color on his palette. He may still be a brilliant artist (Pablo Picasso's paintings from his "Blue Period", for example, are considered among the greatest works of art in history), but he has limited the colors with which he can express himself.
Education isn't everything, but it's a very important tool and, if I may, a common grace of God that we should take advantage of if we can. -
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Again, in line with the OP, such a man may have wonderful wisdom and understanding to help him with the task. Where he will lack is in knowledge of the original languages and the societies and cultures underlying the Word of God. He may not be able to tell who Gamaliel was, or why the two words for "burden" in Gal. 6:1-5 have different meanings. So he will limit his ministry somewhat.
Your point is taken about Picasso's Blue Period--though I hate his work. :Cautious I see no beauty in it, and beauty is from God. Art should be beautiful, coming as it ought from the image of God in us. (Cf Art and the Bible, by Francis Schaeffer.)
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I am thankful to the LORD for those on the BB who are well educated, who took the time and gave of their resource
to occupy and stand in the gap until He returns.
Who earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
We take them for granted who keep the flame of truth burning.
1 Timothy 3:15 ... the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
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Paul said knowledge such as you would seem to define it puffs up.
I place knowledge experiential understanding from applications of what is learned through education.
That you state, "...educator for over 30 years.... I teach knowledge...." is just wrong. You don't teach KNOWING. You as an educator give instruction. IF that instruction is received and the learner applies that education then they acquire experiential knowledge.
You are an educator you are not a knowledge-ator.
As if one can "acquire a skill" is not "knowing how to drive."
An educator can tell the drivers ed class all the rules. Teach all the mechanics. Provide all the visual aids and have all the students pass the test to get a learner's permit.
But until they actually get behind the wheel and drive and apply all that they learned, there is no knowledge, only education.
You stand as an educator. You impart wisdom and your own understanding (knowledge) as from your own viewpoint that which is necessary.
However, from the student view, your knowledge is mere anecdote to their own experience. It may help in story telling, but story telling doesn't carry the water.
Now, "as an educator of" far more than 30 years, I can say that I totally agree with a huge amount of your thinking.
However, in this area, I do consider that your alignment (continuing with the car illustration) is forcing the car to constantly need redirected, and if a slight change can be made, the car would drive true to the road.
It is kind of like walking. Rarely does one remark about one with a "toe in" (car alignment sets the wheels slightly with a toe in), but great notice is made of the "toe out." Even ol' Pecos Bill noticed "Slue-foot Sue."
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