Let's back up one verse.
Does verse 21 include a man submitting to a woman?
Elevation of women in the church and in society
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Cutter, Jul 21, 2007.
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It does appear you and and your wife have in the least an amenable relationship and apparently a satisfying one for both of you without any marked abuses of either one's role so my guess is that there aren't going to be any major reconstruction projects in your administration.
In the mean time I'll post a warning if my wife is close to becoming POTUS. heh -
sub·mis·sion [səb mísh’n]
(plural sub·mis·sions)
n
1. yielding, or readiness to yield: a willingness to yield or surrender to somebody, or the act of doing so
demanded nothing less than total submission to his authority
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
sub·mis·sion –noun 1.an act or instance of submitting. 2.the condition of having submitted. 3.submissive conduct or attitude. 4.something that is submitted, as an application. 5.Law. an agreement between parties involved in a dispute, to abide by the decision of an arbitrator or arbitrators.
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SUBMIS''SION, n. [L. submissio, from submitto.]
1. The act of submitting; the act of yielding to power or authority; surrender of the person and power to the control or government of another.
Submission, dauphin! ''tis a mere French word;
We English warriors wot not what it means.
2. Acknowledgment of inferiority or dependence; humble or suppliant behavior.
In all submission and humility,
York doth present himself unto your highness.
3. Acknowledgment of a fault; confession or error.
Be not as extreme in submission, as in offense.
4. Obedience; compliance with the commands or laws of a superior. Submission of children to their parents is an indispensable duty.
5. Resignation; a yielding of one''s will to the will or appointment of a superior without murmuring. Entire and cheerful submission to the will of God is a christian duty of prime excellence. (Source: Webster's 1828) -
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Rufus do you not think that it is possible to be obedient, but not submissive? i can think of many an instance where this could be applied. Submission is to willingly yield, obedience not so much.
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Why didn't you give the defition for obedience?
"the act of obeying; dutiful or submissive behavior with respect to another person" - Google.com
O*be"di*ence (?), n. [F. obédience, L. obedientia, oboedientia. See Obedient, and cf.Obeisance.]
1. The act of obeying, or the state of being obedient; compliance with that which is required by authority; subjection to rightful restraint or control.
Government must compel the obedience of individuals. Ames.
2. Words or actions denoting submission to authority; dutifulness. Shak.
- 1828
Come now, let us be a little more honest in our discourse.
And you actually said, "submission is living with a willingness to yield to another", so you were defining submission, which involves me yeilding to my wife (in submission, since that is what you were defining). Be more precise with your wording and we won't have these English issues.
I never said you thought I tyrannized my wife, did I. Nope. I would put that little "roll eyes" icon there, but I think it is quite rude.
And on your last paragraph, no I don't think so. And even if I did, you ought to go ask your husband before trying to correct me on it. If he agree, well, then we will disagree. Furthermore, there is no need to slander. Thus far I have held back that flood and would ask you to do so as well, that way we don't get in a girly name calling fight.
Your suggestion is noted and heard, but that I have done more than once for the sole benefit of my family and trying to adhere to God and his word. I would suggest the same for all men, and certainly for all women... even you. -
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http://www.m-w.com
Encarta is known for its politically correct (mis)definitions. -
Why make up definitions?
How can one be submissive without being obedient?
How can one be obedient without being submissive? -
Thanks npet:
obedient
One entry found for obedient.
Main Entry: obe·di·ent
Pronunciation: -&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin oboedient-, oboediens, from present participle of oboedire to obey
: submissive to the restraint or command of authority : willing to obey
- obe·di·ent·ly adverb
synonyms OBEDIENT, DOCILE, TRACTABLE, AMENABLE mean submissive to the will of another. OBEDIENT implies compliance with the demands or requests of one in authority <obedient to the government>. DOCILE implies a predisposition to submit readily to control or guidance <a docile child>. TRACTABLE suggests having a character that permits easy handling or managing <tractable animals>. AMENABLE suggests a willingness to yield or to cooperate either because of a desire to be agreeable or because of a natural open-mindedness <amenable to new ideas>. -
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