Of course. The teacher is important, but there comes a time in each believers walk to walk on their own on.
1 Corinthians 13:11 (KJV)
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Ephesians 1 Clearly teaches Calvinism as to Salvation
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Yeshua1, Sep 27, 2018.
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jeremiah1five Member
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Calvin was a learned theologian who was prolific in his writings. Some of the things he wrote are a benefit to the church. Some things are not. As a Baptist, I disagree with his ecclesiology and his position on Baptism. As a Monergist, I agree with his view on predestination and election. Spurgeon believed the same. In his "A Defense of Calvinism" Spurgeon wrote, "Calvinism is the Gospel". Of course, Spurgeon was referring to the doctrines of Grace. But Spurgeon was also vehemently against infant baptism and Presbyterian ecclesiology. It is good to keep the record straight. We do not follow a man. We obey scripture.
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Charles Spurgeon, "The Necessity of Increased Faith"
"A certain somebody drew up five or six doctrines, and said, "There are the doctrines of the Bible," and ye believe these....Calvin is made the standard and what business has any man to think a single thought beyond Calvin? Blessed be God, we have gone a little beyond that; and we can say, "Increase our faith." With all our admiration for these great standard divines, we are not prepared to shut ourselves up in their little iron cages; but we say, "Open the door, and let me fly—let me still feel that I am at liberty. Increase my faith, and help me to believe a little more." I know I can say I have had an increase of faith in one or two respects within the last few months. I could not, for a long time, see anything like the Millenium in the Scriptures; I could not much rejoice in the Second Coming of Christ, though I did believe it; but gradually my faith began to open to that subject, and I find it now a part of my meat and drink, to be looking for, as well as hastening unto, the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." -
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With respect, that should not be our goal. Our goal should be to persuade others of the truth, just as we should always seek to know the truth. Scripture tells us that all things work for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose (Rom. 8:28). "All things" include all who proclaim the truth. Don't worry if people do not give credit to those teachers you esteem. Rejoice if they obey the Word.
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Ephesians 4:11-13 11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. (emphasis mine)
We all have a tendency to revere those teachers that made a notable impact on our lives. Some of these teachers are well-known, others are more obscure. Some of our "heroes" come from centuries past. Monergists can name men like Spurgeon, Calvin, Augustine, Gill, Dagg, Keach, Owen, McCheyne et. al. Synergists may point to Darby, Scofield, Moody, Grantham, Hewlys et. al. Some people may be bold enough to say that they profited from all of them to various degrees. There are some teachers outside of my local church that I naturally gravitate to. I appreciate the writings of Spurgeon, Owen, Luther, Calvin, Henry, Gill, and Dagg. 20th and 21st-century teachers such as Sproul, MacArthur, Begg, Boice, and Lloyd-Jones are my go-to's. -
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My take on this is that the scripture clearly states that salvation is synergistic, but this fact does not detract from God's sovereignty in the least... in fact, it shows he is bigger and more powerful.
Deuteronomy 30:1
So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind in all nations where the LORD your God has banished you,
Deuteronomy 30:6
Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.
Deuteronomy 30:11
For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?
Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,
Clearly, these verses are in the context of Salvation (Circumcision of the heart). It says it is a CHOICE God sets before man. It explicitly states Salvation is NOT too difficult for man to make the choice, and that it is NOT a choice made by God in heaven. Paul quotes Deuteronomy 30 when speaking of Salvation in Romans 10:
Rom 10:6-10 NASB
6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)." 8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
So we know that Deuteronomy 30 speaks of Salvation.... so when it says (3 times) that it is a choice set before man, and when it says it is not a choice God makes in heaven, we know it speaks of Salvation. Moreover, Deuteronomy 30:19 shows the choice is completely synergistic - God calls "heaven" and "earth" as co-witnesses of the choice man makes.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
To "testify" means to "bear witness to" so Romans 8:16 shows that God's spirit (heaven) and our spirit (earth) testify (witness) to the choice man makes for salvation. Romans 8:16 and Deuteronomy 30:19 say the same thing.
Now as to Ephesians 1, it gives the order:
Eph 1:13-14 NASB
13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of [God's own] possession, to the praise of His glory.
So the indwelling of the spirit comes AFTER listening to the gospel and believing it... not BEFORE.
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