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Eternal Life

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Martin, Mar 19, 2006.

  1. standingfirminChrist

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    I figured out why Craig does not believe in eternal security. He serves a weak Jesus.

    The fact that He questions God's ability in the numerous threads concerning the creation and the ensuing flood shows his denial of a Christ who is faithful to His word.

    Christ said He would in no wise cast out those who came to Him. He said He would never leave us, nor forsake us. So, no matter where we go, what we do, we can never leave Jesus, for He is always there. One cannot lose his salvation, because He always knows He is saved according to 1 John 5. If one strays from the fold and never feels again the hand of God on him, never feels the conviction of the Holy Spirit for sin and straying, that one could not have been saved in the first place.
     
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    well standingfirm, no eternal security goes hand in hand in believing Noah's Ark really did not happen. consider the source.
     
  3. Craigbythesea

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    “The pitifully ignorant and empty headed imbeciles who have no knowledge or intelligence with which to refute the evidence presented by the educated and wise and therefore resort to poking fun at the men themselves more than amply demonstrate their own depraved state of mind.” Julius R. Townsend

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    “The pitifully ignorant and empty headed imbeciles who have no knowledge or intelligence with which to refute the evidence presented by the educated and wise and therefore resort to poking fun at the men themselves more than amply demonstrate their own depraved state of mind.” Julius R. Townsend

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  5. Helen

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    Craig, I can see no Spirit of the Lord in your responses there. So it does make sense to me why you don't think your salvation is secure in Him.

    In the meantime, I KNOW I am His sheep (John 10).

    He has said "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand." John 10:28

    In James we read that works are the expression of the condition of the heart; that faith expresses itself in works. Now go to 1 John 3:18-20
    Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

    Thus, even if I am worried about not belonging to Him, if that worry should occur to me, I can look at the works HE has done through me and KNOW that I BELONG to Him and my heart can be at rest.

    If I was not sure of my position in Christ, my heart could never be at rest.
     
  6. standingfirminChrist

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    Someone does not believe the way you do, so you call them imbeciles. Wow!
     
  7. saturneptune

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    standing firm,
    It has taken me a while to figure it out, but its not worth arguing with this individual. I have taken his bait several times and run with it. He is a baiter, likes to throw monkey wrenches in back and forth exchanges. No Spirit of Christ near there. Ignore it and it goes away.
     
  8. Helen

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    Ignore it and it goes away

    Love your optimism!
     
  9. Craigbythesea

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    Another personal attack—very typical of Helen’s posts when she disagrees with what her brothers and sister in Christ believe.

    Helen, What you personally do or do not see in my posts is irrelevant to the vast amount of Biblical evidence against your personal interpretation of the Bible.

    The fact that this verse does not necessarily teach or support the doctrine of eternal security has been documented many times in various threads on the this message board, including this vary thread, and if you are familiar with the scholarly literature on the doctrine of eternal security you know for a fact that John 10:28 is NOT used by OSAS scholars to support the doctrine of eternal security because of the grammatical issues in the Greek text—so why do you post something that is so absolutely irrelevant?

    Helen says,
    The Bible says,

    James 2:14. What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
    15. If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
    16. and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
    17. Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
    18. But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
    19. You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
    20. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
    21. Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
    22. You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
    23. and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
    24. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
    25. In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
    26. For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

    Now go to 1 John 3:2-9 and 1 John 5:12,

    1 John 3:2. Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
    3. And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
    4. Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
    5. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
    6. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
    7. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
    8. the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
    9. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    1 John 5:12. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

    I am not sure of my “position” in Christ because of a ludicrously false doctrine concocted by men in the 16th century; I am sure that I am in Christ because I am a new creation in Christ Jesus. If a man has nothing but a ludicrously false doctrine concocted by men in the 16th century upon which to base his “position” in Christ, I would say that that man is not only positionally lost , but well on his way to the fires of hell.

    (All Scriptures NASB, 1995)

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  10. Craigbythesea

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    “The pitifully ignorant and empty headed imbeciles who have no knowledge or intelligence with which to refute the evidence presented by the educated and wise and therefore resort to poking fun at the men themselves more than amply demonstrate their own depraved state of mind.” Julius R. Townsend

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    I am not calling anyone an imbecile for disagreeing with me. And Julius R. Townsend did not call anyone an imbecile for disagreeing with him. He simply wrote about the behavior of mindless imbeciles when in conversation or debate with those who are intellectually gifted by God.

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  12. standingfirminChrist

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    everyone got the subtle message, Craig. YOu believe you receive divine revelation from God and everyone who disagrees with you are imbeciles. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure why you posted the quote.

    Here's a quote for you from the Word of God.

    1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
     
  13. Dr. Bob

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    Craig - unless you are truly seeking to "lose" your position here on the BB and be banned, I'd advise you to watch what you say, how you say it and the arrogant spirit of hatred you show.

    PUBLIC WARNING.
     
  14. standingfirminChrist

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    thank you, Dr Bob.

    May God bless you, my Brother.
     
  15. Helen

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    From Craig: I am not sure of my “position” in Christ because of a ludicrously false doctrine concocted by men in the 16th century; I am sure that I am in Christ because I am a new creation in Christ Jesus. If a man has nothing but a ludicrously false doctrine concocted by men in the 16th century upon which to base his “position” in Christ, I would say that that man is not only positionally lost , but well on his way to the fires of hell.

    I am not sure of my position in Christ because of any made-up doctrine, but because of the character of Christ Himself. I know Him. In the long run, it's as simple as that.
     
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    It certainly should not take a rocket scientist to understand that I do NOT believe that everyone who disagrees with me is an imbecile. Some people who disagree with me are intellectually gifted, others are not. But the issue here is not about agreeing with me or disagreeing with me, but about having the intelligence and the knowledge of the Bible necessary to refute the arguments of one’s opponents whether or not they are correct and their arguments are solid.

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    Posting personal attacks is loving others; refraining in every case from posting personal attacks is an arrogant spirit of hatred?

    Baptists who defend the academic view of science and Biblical exegesis by posting scientific data and exegetical defense of their beliefs are called the most hateful imaginable names all over this message board, and the only moderator that I have seen do anything at all about it RSR.

    Taking the time to very carefully and very accurately defend the truth as one understands it from the Bible and other literature while treating everyone in a courteous and tolerant manner does not show either arrogance or hatred.

    StandingfirminChrist posted the following personal attack in this very thread and has posted similar personal attacks on numerous occasions:

    “I figured out why Craig does not believe in eternal security. He serves a weak Jesus.

    The fact that He questions God's ability in the numerous threads concerning the creation and the ensuing flood shows his denial of a Christ who is faithful to His word.”

    I have never, absolutely never, said one word about that man. All that I have done is refute his arguments. And the very same is true of everyone on this message board who has posted a blatant personal attack against me. And you, yourself, have now posted a personal attack against me. And you accuse me of being hateful and arrogant?

    Nonetheless, you are the administrator rather than me, and I shall therefore refrain from posting any theology that the administrators of this board find to be offensive. That will greatly reduce the number of personal attacks posted against me and should bring greater peace and harmony to this message board.

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  19. mima

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    When I see the words "eternal life" in Scripture I begin to think it might mean everlasting. Maybe I am just dumb like that, but what a wonderful feeling to know that the Lord understands English and then eternal means eternal.
     
  20. standingfirminChrist

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    Amen, Mima!

    Eternal does indeed mean eternal, or perpetual. When I see a perpetual calendar, I think of the eternality of that calendar (how when it gets to the end of December it immediately goes into January and the cycle starts over again). That is how it will be for every man, woman or boy saved or unsaved. All will be raised to immortality. Those who have placed their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ will spend eternity with Him; those who chose to reject Him will spend eternity in the lake of fire.
     
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