What happened is this:"the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." Gen 2:7
Blessings,
Luis
Evolution/Creation Poll -- Please Vote!
Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Phillip, Dec 27, 2004.
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6 day Creation -- Genesis is literal
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Gap or Old Earth, but no death until sin occurred
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Old Earth with death before sin occurred
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Theistic Evolution -- animals evolved until God decided to put a soul in one.
3.1% -
Evolution -- absolutely no need for any supernatural causes.
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Luis,
Welcome to the Baptist Board. I appreciate your sensible approach to the Bible.
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Thank God for the 'house cleaning' of the SBC!!
These liberal views of the bible make me ill! They don't make sense at all. Of course I'm just an average person, not even close to being a theologin. I just read and study my bible at home and learn more about it at church.
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Originally posted by Phillip:
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Either God is a great liar or this is a great historical account. I accept the later.
Like I said before, if you cannot accept something as literal as this, then why bother with the gospels?Click to expand...
I accept the whole Bible as the Word of God, and I am not ashamed of the Gospel because it is the power of God to save.
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Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
Luis,
Welcome to the Baptist Board. I appreciate your sensible approach to the Bible.
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In Him,
Luis -
Personally, I want to know the truth about God and the Bible. Whether it is liberal, moderate, or conservative is not of much concern to me. After all, what good is a conservative view of creation theology if the creationists have it all wrong? :rolleyes:
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I love the Lord and his Word.Click to expand...
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Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I love the Lord and his Word.
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</font>[/QUOTE]Sure, however, you guys want to interpret his word. hahaha I quoted an entire chapter that you say is probably not true. Talk about false logic. :rolleyes: -
Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
Personally, I want to know the truth about God and the Bible. Whether it is liberal, moderate, or conservative is not of much concern to me. After all, what good is a conservative view of creation theology if the creationists have it all wrong? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lchemist:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Phillip:
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Either God is a great liar or this is a great historical account. I accept the later.
Like I said before, if you cannot accept something as literal as this, then why bother with the gospels?Click to expand...
I accept the whole Bible as the Word of God, and I am not ashamed of the Gospel because it is the power of God to save.
In Christ,
Luis </font>[/QUOTE]But you just don't believe what God says about a six day creation. :rolleyes: It makes for perfect logic. Throw out the first part, you might as well throw out the rest. What makes you believe the gospels and not believe the creation story in Genesis? ;) -
Originally posted by lchemist:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Phillip:
Would God consider death "very good?"
While I know that himan death is an enemy, I do not pretend to know what God would consider "Very Good"
[QB](DEATH of Man--of course, I don't guess this accounts for evolutionary man who was not YET perfect?) Oh, I thought that the creation was perfect. Obviously, it took some trial and error--you know, survival of the fittest, per evolutionary theory. Unfit creation that had to die because God obviously didn't have it perfected yet. :rolleyes:Click to expand...Click to expand...All that is your speculation.
Gen 6:12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
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Why didn't he kill all plants?Click to expand...
Oh, I thought you said the Bible was silent about this? Read the first verse, then come down and read this one. Again, I question whether or not you have REALLY read Genesis?Click to expand...
Blessings,
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Originally posted by Rachel:
Thank God for the 'house cleaning' of the SBC!!
These liberal views of the bible make me ill! They don't make sense at all. Of course I'm just an average person, not even close to being a theologin. I just read and study my bible at home and learn more about it at church.
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It makes me laugh that someone can pick and chose what they want to believe about the Bible; saying that it is a matter of interpretation (while maintaining a straight face.)
Faith comes from reading and hearing the word. It is obvious that some people haven't done much reading themselves. Or they have spent much more time in a secular book reading evolution "THEORY" that is mathematically impossible; while saying their faith in God is strong. Personally, evolution takes more faith than an all-knowing, omnipotent God.
SURE, God had to try and try again to get animals from a single cell up to mankind. Now, THAT's REAL LOGIC. :rolleyes:
Like I say, why even bother with the gospels? If its all in the way you interpret it. I guess the story of Jesus being God could just as well be an allegory to teach us all how to behave. :rolleyes: .....NOT! -
Well, the fact that Tyronnosaurs Rex had teeth only fit for eating flesh and died 65 million years before the Adam walked in Eden, is evidence against the strictly literal interpretation for animals never eating meat before the flood. On the other hand, it is a marvelous truth even today that all of us animals, even the meat eaters among us, are utterly dependent ultimately on plant life for survival; for we either eat the plants directly or we eat animals that ate plants or we eat animals that ate animals that ate plants. Hence, in a truly profound sense, we are all ultimately eaters of plants.
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Originally posted by Phillip:
Besides, if there was no death before sin, then I guess if Adam stepped on a roach, it stood up, shook itself off, and went on its way.Click to expand...
Also, If physical death were not possible in the pre-fall world, what was the need for the tree of life? Why did God say that man had to be prevented from taking from the tree of life and live forever if there was already no physical death? And, why is the tree of life mentioned as being present in the book of revelation? Why will we need it in eternity?
God made everything in 6 days just as recorded in Genesis. Evening and morning are still occuring as delimited by the "rising and falling" of the sun and moon, those items placed in the sky for signs, just as they did back then. -
Originally posted by Paul of Eugene:
Well, the fact that Tyronnosaurs Rex had teeth only fit for eating flesh and died 65 million years before the Adam walked in Eden, is evidence against the strictly literal interpretation for animals never eating meat before the flood. On the other hand, it is a marvelous truth even today that all of us animals, even the meat eaters among us, are utterly dependent ultimately on plant life for survival; for we either eat the plants directly or we eat animals that ate plants or we eat animals that ate animals that ate plants. Hence, in a truly profound sense, we are all ultimately eaters of plants.Click to expand... -
Originally posted by Phillip:
[QB] Oh, and let's not forget that you said it is a matter of interpretation. Would you please interpret this chapter for us?
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
Gen 5:2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.
Gen 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
Gen 5:4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.
Gen 5:6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he fathered Enosh.
Gen 5:7 Seth lived after he fathered Enosh 807 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:8 Thus all the days of Seth were 912 years, and he died.
Gen 5:9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he fathered Kenan.
Gen 5:10 Enosh lived after he fathered Kenan 815 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:11 Thus all the days of Enosh were 905 years, and he died.
Gen 5:12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he fathered Mahalalel.
Gen 5:13 Kenan lived after he fathered Mahalalel 840 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:14 Thus all the days of Kenan were 910 years, and he died.
Gen 5:15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he fathered Jared.
Gen 5:16 Mahalalel lived after he fathered Jared 830 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:17 Thus all the days of Mahalalel were 895 years, and he died.
Gen 5:18 When Jared had lived 162 years he fathered Enoch.
Gen 5:19 Jared lived after he fathered Enoch 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:20 Thus all the days of Jared were 962 years, and he died.
Gen 5:21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he fathered Methuselah.
Gen 5:22 Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:23 Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years.
Gen 5:24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.
Gen 5:25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he fathered Lamech.
Gen 5:26 Methuselah lived after he fathered Lamech 782 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:27 Thus all the days of Methuselah were 969 years, and he died.
Gen 5:28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he fathered a son
Gen 5:29 and called his name Noah, saying, "Out of the ground that the LORD has cursed this one shall bring us relief from our work and from the painful toil of our hands."
Gen 5:30 Lamech lived after he fathered Noah 595 years and had other sons and daughters.
Gen 5:31 Thus all the days of Lamech were 777 years, and he died.
Gen 5:32 After Noah was 500 years old, Noah fathered Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
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Either God is a great liar or this is a great historical account. I accept the later.Click to expand...
"Therefore all the generations from Abraham to David are fourtieen generations; and from David to the deporation to Babylon fourteen generations; and from the deportation to Babylon to the time Christ fourteen generations".
The generations Matthew counted are given in Matthew 1-16. There is is just one little problem: in the corresponding old testament genologies it is evidence that Matthew SKIPPED SOME NAMES - you can compare them yourself at 1 Chronicles 2:10-17. There were, in fact, MORE THAN 14 generations.
Now according to the literalistic rules you yourself insist we all follow or else God is a liar, then God is a liar. I suggest you figure out that it is a perfectly normal and acceptable thing to LEAVE NAMES OUT in a list of this sort and IT IS NOT A LIE to make a list with names left out. God is NOT A LIAR.
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Well it's obvious to me that the evolutionists here know exactly how the 1st few chapters of Genesis work. If they can answer these questions I will concede to them.
When did life begin?
When did man & woman come upon the earth with a soul (month,day,& year please)?
What is the birthdate of the existance of the universe?
How long did it take(in years) for the DNA to form for each of the following:
man
fur bearing animals
fish
fowl
insects?
If it takes a designer to design a watch,aircraft,building or automobile, why does'nt it take a designer to make the universe and all known life?
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I am not the one calling God a liar.
It is well known that the Jews often left out people where were not as important as others, but the numbers are small.
My argument is not gone because 14-14-14 does not equal 65 million years.
You are making a long stretch to use the fact that a few names may have been left out of a list, to changing the entire story of the creation. Big difference. . .
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Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Paul of Eugene:
Well, the fact that Tyronnosaurs Rex had teeth only fit for eating flesh and died 65 million years before the Adam walked in Eden, is evidence against the strictly literal interpretation for animals never eating meat before the flood. On the other hand, it is a marvelous truth even today that all of us animals, even the meat eaters among us, are utterly dependent ultimately on plant life for survival; for we either eat the plants directly or we eat animals that ate plants or we eat animals that ate animals that ate plants. Hence, in a truly profound sense, we are all ultimately eaters of plants.Click to expand...
Since radioactive decay has been shown to not change over time, this is a reliable method.
More information is available for those interested in the details, for example . .
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dating.html
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