:thumbs::thumbs: Good answer. And how does he open our hearts to understand these things? God uses human means. People, like Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit using Spirit inspired scripture sitting down and explaining and persuading.....isn't that God at work in our world?
Explain why God is patient with men if indeed men have nothing to do with being saved
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Skandelon, Jan 20, 2010.
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A simple explanation. God is patient because He's waiting for our surrender. Not our choosing Him, but the giving up, of our rebellion.
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What is preaching for if not to plant the seed? What is preaching for if not to convict the hearer of there sins ? Conviction is what beats us because we all know what we have done in our lives. It's what takes us to our knees in surrender. Surrender is not doing anything anylonger there for it is not a work. You surrendered didn't you?. You confess your sins didn't you? You confessed Christ before men didn't you. Tell us why? Was it because you were saved first?. If so was this Salvation plus works? If we didn't have to go through all these things why is it even mentioned?
We must all of us shed the old man before we can put on the new man.
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My side didn't say that, scripture says that.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Disability isn't justified anywhere in scripture. Only in the Calvinist imagination.
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Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good , that are accustomed to do evil . -
We all agree that we cannot be righteous through the law...through morality. But as Paul explains in Romans 3, there is a new righteousness being revealed from heaven which does not come through the law, but through faith. So, to your question, how does an Ethiopian change his skin...how can those accustom to evil do good? You can't! Jesus can and has...so give up trying and believe upon him to be righteousness for you! That is the good news...what once was impossible for you is now possible. -
We are attempting to show those who have not fallen for the deception of Calvinism the errors in hopes of keeping them from following this false doctrine. -
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Everything is done.
It is the Holy Spirit's dispensation/time right now, and His task is to regenerate, quicken, bring back to life, all for whom Christ died, in His own time.
All that I've said is scripture.
In as far as salvation, depending on her age at that time, she was or was not saved, but if she was born after the cross, then her salvation is doubly attained by Christ as the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, and as the Lamb of God at calvary's mount.
What she, and others who are God's own are not, is born regenerate.
Regeneration is NOT salvation, neither is it redemption.
So, before you resort to insults, please think twice about what is said, and what you are going to say.
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Help me understand what you are saying, I am not trying to be thick here.
I know that Scripture says the law was designed to bring us to Christ, but the Jeremiah scripture shows a principle that God is speaking of and that is the inability to do good (according to His terms of good) because like leopards born with spots, and an Ethiopian born black (with neither having the capacity to change their nature) so is the man unable to change his natural predisposition to evil (according, again, to God's definition of what evil is).
And as far as the Holy Spirit, there is nothing in Scripture that says man's old nature is removed from him, but rather, that a new nature is added to him, so that, if the spotted leopard is the natural man, a new man is added to him, this one is spiritual and God-centered. Again, expanding this analogy a little more, the Ethiopian regenerated man may still have black skin, but the new man inside him does not.
And the gospel ?
I have said it before and say it again, the Holy Spirit needs no means or vehicle to quicken His own people. He does it by Himself. The gospel is simply good news intended for the regenerate's ears, not for every man's ears, and while preaching it causes it to fall on everyone's ears, only those with ears to hear can really hear. -
I'll take the old fundamental baptist belief myself. The Gospel is open to anyone who will believe the Gospel and come to the Lord Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness!
This very evening, before coming to work, I talked to the pastor who led me to the Lord back in 1969 and he agreed that Calvinism is pure false doctrine. He had more to say, but I won't repeat it here! -
Again, I would like to thank all the Calvinists for teaching me patience as I await an answer to this question. Only if I had an effectual way to make you answer, then I wouldn't have to be patient, or would I?
Here is the question in case you all forgot it. If indeed men have nothing to do with being regenerated, then what is God waiting on? Why does he say in many different ways that he is patient with us? Please explain.
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Secondly if God knows the future and He knows those whom will not be saved, why is He patient with them? Or is He? Is the patience only with those He knows will come to Him? -
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Please show eternal Salvation from the OT and that it was by grace?
There is no man with out sin the only difference between men is Salvation. Salvation does not save the flesh and sin still dwells with in it. Once we are raptured or ressurrected we will have a new body.
Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
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