Hi everyone;
Jam 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jam 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jam 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jam 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jam 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
If faith is considered a work then how is it that it is dead without works?
Romanbear
Faith is not a work
Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by romanbear, Mar 23, 2003.
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James is talking about faith as in believing certain facts as his reference to devils indicates. The faith we are talking about in this forum is saving faith in trusting in the finished work of Jesus Christ which the devils that James references do not do.
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Ken,
Then you are redefining faith.
There are no differences in faith, but there are different conditions and manners in which faith is manifest. No, FAITH is not a work!
The definition of work is "the expenditure of energy to accomplish a specific result". A work for example could be the attendence of a worship service. Physical manifestation of Worship, such as, the many forms of "priestly duties" is a work.
The definition of faith:
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So, Yelsew, in your understanding there is no difference between the faith of devils and your faith.
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God Bless.
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God Bless
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There is no question the devil believes and trembles.
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Frogman
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yet then it remains that the devil and the demons may one day be in heaven, after all they are believers in the very sense the world embraces this concept.
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Just admit defeat and move on. </font>[/QUOTE]But you have not refuted my statements! You are merely repeating your own misinformed belief system. -
Ken,
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Yelsew,
Look at the verses in James:
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James made no distinction here between what you or I believe and what the devils believe. THey very well know what Jesus has gained for His people. What the devils lack are any works as evidence that they are saved by God's amazing, sovereign grace. -
"Thou believest that there is one God" is saying what I said, "There is a distinct difference in belief that something or someone exists, even having knowledge of that existence,..." All of God's creation "believeth that there is one God". The whole of the Spirit realm KNOWS there is but one God. The devil and his demons, Know there is but One God. Knowing there is but one God, and believing in and submitting to that One God is not the same thing. The devil and the demons have set themselves against God and therefore cannot by any means be redeemed.
You also overlook this one fact,
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Romanbear was pointing out the fact that scripture puts faith up against works as two different aspects, just as Paul does in Romans 3:27-31.
Faith is not considered a work, yet it is obviously seen an aspect that God hold's us responsible for.
He continually rebukes men for their lack of faith. If Calvinism is right, he shouldn't be rebuking them he sould be rebuking himself for not giving them faith. It's nonsence.
It would be like a teacher giving her students an F for not completing an assignment she hasn't even assigned to them. It just doesn't make sense.
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