KenH
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Yes, that's right, regardless of what you think.
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Final Ruling Confirming City Can Never Discriminate Against the Christian Flag
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Yes, that's right, regardless of what you think.
The version I was raised with reads this way:
"I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Savior for whose Kingdom it stands; one brotherhood uniting all Christians in service and love."
We shouldn't be pledging allegiance to a symbol ("... the Christian flag..."), nor should we be placing it on equal standing with Jesus ("...and the Savior..."). Our allegiance must only be to Christ, not whoever is waving a flag or claiming they represent the Kingdom of God.
No. They are supposed to be disciples of Christ. One can only be aligned with the Kingdom of God in discipleship. To claim allegiance to the Kingdom of God outside of discipleship is foolishness.
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On the other hand - show me in the NT where we are prohibited from using banners.
Or if we go by your belief - then we should not have church buildings - Jesus was content to preach to the 5,000 outside -
and IF we did have a building - where does Scripture say we need to AC - N
NE in the NT ever had AC, ect...So yo were saying......
Jesus taught both in the synagogues and in the Temple. The New Testament church met in various places, both indoors and outdoors.
We use banners to advertise various special services. We hang them on the outside of the building facing a main intersection.
Your objection is man made, I already quoted the verse that tells us to do so.
but what about the AC
AC actually helps us to focus.
some things are neutral - the bldg, pews, AC. a banner symbolizes something that God is NOT ie a banner
Utter nonsense. Allegiance to a flag just symbolizes allegiance to what the flag represents.
Every born anew believer has been spiritually transferred into Christ's kingdom, Colossians 1:13.
You may not realize this, but ancient buildings were built to be as comfortable as possible in terms of temperature control. Buildings had breezeways, certain types of roofing materials, and used stone and fabric for insulation and thermal regulation. Air conditioning is just a modern version of doing the same thing with modern designs.
You post taint so, because you do not believe truth. And note this poster claims post #16 was not biblical.
Saying "utter nonsense" does not make it so.
Then why have a flag in the first place? Just pledge allegiance to Christ. Of course, the pledge states specifically that one is pledging "allegiance to the Christian flag AND to the Savior for whose Kingdom it stands."
The whole context for the pledge to the Christian flag is to have a counterpart to the pledge to the American flag, a pledge created by a socialist minister. The Pledge of Allegiance (to the American flag) has all kinds of issues on its own.
And what does the red, white and blue "Christian" flag represent? The meaning is not just in what the creators of the flag intended, but how it has been historically used. It has recently become the flag of the antichrist, "Christian nationalist," movement. Disciples of Jesus should reject that abomination.
Every disciple of Christ is part of the Kingdom of God. Only disciples of Christ are born from above.
My post demonstrated why your view was utter nonsense, I did not just say it!
Why have a flag to symbolize Christ, His attributes, and His kingdom? To witness.
Lots of atheists claim to be "committed Christians." Just because something can be perverted, does not mean it should be cancelled.
Born anew believers have been transferred in Christ's kingdom, but not everyone claiming to be a disciple of Christ has been saved. Many of the followers of Christ did not even believe, because Christ knew who they were from the beginning.
If you dont want a flag - fine - that is your business -
but dont waste time telling us not to - especially when the Bible does not prohibit it.
there are several things churches do - that have no Biblical status.
And if ancient buildings had natural AC - then thats what you should be using today.
why waste money paying for AC when it could be free!
It is unbelievable how many statements I have seen saying a flag is an idol or some other "un-biblical" item. There is not a doubt in my military mind, that I could come into your church and find something that I think that is wrong - and bug for the longest time - until you go rid of it.
We had a missionary come to our church from French Canada - when the small congregation moved into a building - they (former Catholics) did not want any pictures of Christ, crosses or any religious symbol because to them it was an idol.
If someone joined your church and felt that way - would you be willing to dispose of those items?
and with that, I am excusing myself from this thread!
Have a great day
but dont waste time telling us not to - especially when the Bible does not prohibit it.
there are several things churches do - that have no Biblical status.
And if ancient buildings had natural AC - then thats what you should be using today.
why waste money paying for AC when it could be free!
It is unbelievable how many statements I have seen saying a flag is an idol or some other "un-biblical" item. There is not a doubt in my military mind, that I could come into your church and find something that I think that is wrong - and bug for the longest time - until you go rid of it.
We had a missionary come to our church from French Canada - when the small congregation moved into a building - they (former Catholics) did not want any pictures of Christ, crosses or any religious symbol because to them it was an idol.
If someone joined your church and felt that way - would you be willing to dispose of those items?
and with that, I am excusing myself from this thread!
Have a great day
’They will know we are Christians by our flag…’
I evangelize all the time and have never used a flag. I use scripture, reason, patience, and love.
I have never encountered that.
I have never used the word “canceled” in this context. But the so-called Christian Flag (who made that decision?) has been profoundly perverted in the service of Christian nationalism. Like the Nazi use of the swastika (an ancient symbol of harmony), there are now meanings attached to the “Christian flag” that undermine our witness to the unchurched culture.
Of course. But no one can be born from above unless they intend to be a disciple.
The style of construction in the ancient world was extremely labor intensive. It was not “free.” Moreover, the issue is something that is used as a symbol to REPRESENT THE FAITH, not a structure or technology.
Please note that in my view, a flag only becomes an idol if one pledges allegiance to it. Flags do not deserve allegiance. Jesus deserves allegiance. For citizens of the United States, our Constitution deserves our allegiance below Christ. The Old Testament prophets and Jesus have a lot to say about the superficiality of symbols and religious acts. Sometimes symbols, even ones given by God, need to be destroyed because they have been misused.
Do you remember what happened to the bronze serpent that Moses made? King Hezekiah destroyed it because the use/meaning of it had been corrupted (2 Kings 18:4), even though it had been directly and specifically commissioned by God and created by Moses (Numbers 21:8-9).
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KenH
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Christians are not to "war after the flesh", yet there are people who call themselves Christians who do so with their icons and pieces of cloth.
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: ( for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;