He is merely disclaiming independent action when he says "not my will but thy will." In other words, unlike the first Adam, he was not going to follow his own agenda. When he asked to have this cup removed, he was asking something consistent with his previous practice and holy nature as it would be inconsistent of a holy nature to seek to be made sin. However, in concluding "thy will be done" he was denying independency from God's agenda for the redemption of sinners. So this statement provides the demarcation between his active and passive obedience.
Forensic Justification of sinners!
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 3, 2017.
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The cross was never plan B, but was always the ONLY plan:
From that time forth began Jesus to show to his disciples, how that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. - Mt. 16:21
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I to this hour.
There was never any vacillating in Christ concerning the cross. Basically your interpretation of Christ's words "not my will" is "Father, save me from this hour" because as my flesh is recoiling from this physical horror.
His flesh was under the control of His Spirit at all times with but this one purpose in view. However, it would have been inconsistent with his holy nature under the leadership of the Spirit to not to express unwillingness to become the very thing his holy nature had resisted - sin, as sin is incompatible with his own holiness. It is consistent for him to express it is not his will to become sin, but nevertheless, submitting to the will of the Father in being made sin in order to destroy sin. -
esus keepinfully te Law of God was both passive and active, as he had to choose to keep doing /acting/thinking/saying right things all thetime! -
You are the one, not I, who said that this humbling ended with the Incarnation. If you changed your mind about that, then wonderful. If you misstated your position, then great. But don't accuse me of misstating what you posted. I do not know what you believe except as you have posted on this forum. -
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I don't believe Jesus was tempted to sin either. The "lusts of the flesh" (or human desires) are not inherently sinful. James tells us sin is conceived when we are tempted and give into temptation to satisfy those lusts. So I believe that Jesus did, in fact, hunger and thirst. I believe that his will was not to die and not to suffer. I also believe he refused to turn the stone to bread because it was not his will but the will of the Father than he came to accomplish.
I do not see how you can legitimately interpret "not my will but the will of the Father" to mean "my will as always been contrary to sin in all forms but now I must be made sin" when the Garden was far from the first time Jesus spoke those words. Add to that Scripture stating that Jesus humbled himself by becoming man, did nothing of his own initiative, and that the work of the Cross was accomplished "through the Spirit" and your definition seems forced. -
John 6:35-40 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
John 8:25-30 So they were saying to Him, "Who are You?" Jesus said to them,"What have I been saying to you from the beginning? I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I speak to the world." They did not realize that He had been speaking to them about the Father. So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me. And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him." As He spoke these things, many came to believe in Him.
John 5:25 I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
Hebrews 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? -
And while Jesus always obeyed his Father, by keeping the Law and being always submissive, He could do that becauseHe was God Incarnate, as NO other person woul always being able to do that, even with the Spirit, as NONE of us can reach a sinless perfection state here! -
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Jesus humbling Himself by allowing Himself to bcame huma being was when he accepted all of those limitaionstat would involve, so His humbling started then at his birth , as he would have that same mind he had while in Heaen while here on earth!
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Jesus qualified to b theMessiah du toHim being both God and man, as he keptthe Law asa Man, but was able to do that sinve e was also God!
Both aspects of His natures ere involvedin this salvation process! -
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