Gosip!
On what basis?
I don't want to put words in your mouth...Is this what you (freewillers) believe as some people on this board think about you?
"Free will- We are saved by our works (works is anything that you do and trust in for the salvation of your soul: belief, repentence, confession and etc.), and Grace... "
The Gosple of Jesus Christ!
"God's Grace- We are saved by GRACE!"
The Gosple of Christ!
"God's Grace- We do have the responsibility to respond to GOD's call of Grace, but It is He who saves us, not you! We can't chose HIM unless HE first chooses us! "
How can we come to HIM, unless the Spirit draw us? We can't....
How can we chose HIM if we are/were dead in our sins? We can't...
Can a our carnal (mind) man understand the things of GOD? We can't...
Unless, God inlightens us by HIS Spirit...
Please read: Eph.2:8-9, Titus 3:5, and the whole books of Romans and Galations.
Grace and the WORKs of the Law don't mix...Read...Galations
thanks:godisgood:
"Free will is TRUE"
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AAA, Feb 14, 2007.
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It's a pity
Free Will says - we have the responsibility to choose
BUT we cant choose until God calls - thankfully for us God keeps on calling
We dont initiate nor can we - God does
If you are going to misrepresent "Free-willers" at least admit yer going to the pelagianist extreme
Also - we dont elect ourselves - we believe or should i say i believe that election is something special like an anointing -
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Do we have free-will? Absolutely.
Is our free-will the agent that provides our salvation? No not at all
Is God's Grace irresistable? Sure
Dr. John Phillips illustrates it best:
Suppose a novice was to play Bobby Fischer in a game of chess. The chess champion (Bobby Fischer) has at his disposal countless way to open and close the game, and all kinds of strategies in between. The novice barely knows how to put the peices on the board and has only learned lately the kind of moves each piece can make. The peices are put on the board, and the game begins.
Each Player has a measure of soveriegnty over the board, and each has the power of choice. Each can make any move he likes, so long as his moves are within the rules of the game.
It takes the chess master (Bobby Fischer) a few scant minutes to declare the game over. The novice says "The game can't be over. there are lots of moves I can still make." The champion says" Go ahead and make them. The game is over." And, shure enough, in two or three more moves he check mates the novice.
Now, not once did the chess master interfere with his opponent's power of choice or his right to make the moves he did. The chess master, however, having so much more skill, had a greater soveriegnty over the board. He did not interfere with his adversary's moves; he simply overruled them.
It is like that in the great chess game of life. We have been endowed with human will, with a measure of soveriegnty over the moves we make. We have freedom to choose and to excercise our will. So, we make our choices, and God makes His. He can check mate us at will because His soveriegnty is so much greater than ours. The wonderful thing is, however, that God really wants us to win. He is eager to show us, day by day, the steps to a holy, happy, and heaven-bound life. -
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Whoa! That was way-bad!
skypair -
That was in my opinion the hardest thing
God ever had to do, was to pull his ox (humankind)
out of a ditch.
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I suppose you title the OP "gosip" (sic) because it ain't true, right? Cause You clearly slander the free will side of the debate.
Second, "belief" is demonstrably (Rom 4:5) NOT a "work." I wish you would get this through your pretty head -- "But to him that But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him on him..." Here's a man who does NO works but believes.
skypair -
john. -
What do you have aagaint me (a non-calvinist)?
I did not mean to offend you by clearing up any of thier misrepresentations of the free will stance?
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Before you 'label' people, make sure the label is an accurate one. Classical Arminianism holds that one can loose their salvation. I do not and never have. This among other issues I have with classical Arminianism is the reason I do not believe nor hold to their view of scripture.