Here we agree.
GAP: Theory or Fact
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Accountable, Aug 23, 2007.
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To those who hold strictly to a 6 day creation, did God create the Heavens complete with all of the heavenly host at the same instant that He created the earth?
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I'm sure there might be a few but I don't know of any real geologist or astronomers who would support the Gap Theory.
Many men used greatly by God held that view and many used by God greatly have rejected the Gap Theory and many never had that view.
By the way when I say trying to harmonize, I mean make it fit, anything that is in the Scriptures about science will fit with true science and man does not have to try and make it fit. -
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Whether or not it was the same instant, they were both created on the first day. -
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Please forgive me of any offense.
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Sorry, Lacy, you have misunderstood me (my fault probably - sorry). I would say that the doctrine of Christian accountability reached what is now the UK when the gospel did. What I was referring to before was that specific doctrine that seems to be known as ME, that says that some Christians when they die will go to a place of punishment for 1000 years. It is that particular doctrine that I have not come across here. (I couldn't find it in the link you provided about Robert Govett, either). -
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Do you know of Robert Govett from the 1800's? He wrote many books dealing with the subject of which I have copies of today. There are others but this should be sufficient to show that the doctrine has been and is being preaches in the UK.
Sorry, did not see that Lacy had dealt with this already. I'm just trying to catch up from last night. -
It is impossible to speak definitively on this subject since there is nothing in the Bible to support it, one way or another.
God is silent. It is a mystery.
Part of the problem is the question "When did Time begin"
And in our feeble minds, it is hard to fathom eternity.
We may ask "What did God do BEFORE creating the universe?" But if time was created the same time the universe was created, there was nothing BEFORE, since even the word "before" requires time.
All that existed was, is, will be eternity...apart from the universe.
So looking to the past from our viewpoint, when was the universe created?...
All God says is "In the beginning" The beginning of what? Time.
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I know it is a long paragraph but please read it. Hope this helps you to see the teaching has been in England for a long time.
Lt. Col. Joseph Sladen (1841-1930)
"Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulteres, nor effeminate..... shall inherit the Kingdom of God.' To whom are these solemn words addressed? 'Unto the Church of God, which is at Corinth, even them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints.' So it appears that some of the Church of God at Corinth were not walking worthy of their calling; but that on the contrary they were unrighteous and defrauding their brethren. They were apparently ignorant that such conduct would exclude them from the Kingdom of God unless they repented of their sin. Hence the warning of the Apostle. 'Be not deceived.' Ne evil-doers will have part in the manifested Kingdom of God... All men of faith in all dispensations will have their part in the Eternal City, the metropolis of the Eternal Kingdom. But positively, good works done after justification by faith are necessary for entrance into the Millenial Kingdom of God; and negatively, 'the works of the felsh' bar entrance into it."
Joseph Sladen, The Entrance Into The Kingdom Of God, Prophecy Investigation Society, Nov. 12th, 1909 (London)
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Why does each thread turn into an ME debate?
If ME is true then Jesus will be quite alone in the 1000 year kingdom since scripture says:
Mt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mr 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Besides I used to be quite fond of ME until I upgraded to XP:laugh: -
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BTW, I got this information confirmed by a professor at a university in Israel, although I heard it many years ago. The grammar of the first verses does not require a gap. It permits a gap. (It's not really a gap, so much as a continuation, but "gap" is easier.) But, the grammar either requires a gap, or requires the earth to have been created in vain, which contradicts other passages.
Also, there are two different words employed throughout the passage (which I don't have time to list at this moment), one of which means "create from nothing" (God created the heavens and the earth) and one which means create from something already existing.
So, you have pre-adamic earth permitted by the Scriptures (dinosaurs, etc.), but pre-adamic action required (the falling of the angels). [an interesting sidenote here: study when fish were created, but look at the Hebrew not the English.]
I will have to finish this discussion later. I have to make a 5 hour drive to make an appearance at an art show, and won't return until early Monday morning.
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