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  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    I'm illustrating how I ARBITRARILY went to Colorado instead of Yellowstone. Using the word in a practical application. Don't twist my words and take liberties with them to smear me. If you can refute what I say with scripture, do so.
     
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    Adam earned your damnation. You had nothing to do with it. Christ earned your salvation. You had nothing to do with that either.
     
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    Paul says he chose from the same lump. That is an arbitrary choice of the elect and reprobate.
     
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    Same lump for the elect and reprobate = arbitrary selection.
     
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    For His glory. They were from the reprobate lump with a few from the elect lump. = God's wrath and mercy glorified.
     
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    Did anyone suggest or say God's election was based on God discerning a person's goodness? Nope - so obfuscation on display.
    Does scripture say God chooses people for salvation through their faith in the truth? Yes, 2 Thessalonians 2:13. So in Election God is not arbitrary, but definite.
    Does scripture say our faith if good enough, merits salvation? Nope, it says the opposite, salvation does not depend on the person who wills or does things to be saved, but only upon God. Romans 9:16.
    Does scripture say our faith is according to grace? Yes Romans 4:16

    Bottom line, God is never arbitrary, His choices are according to His purpose.

    To claim we are not saved by way of our credited faith is to deny verse after verse...
     
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    No. Paul used an illustration to say "who are you to question God?".
     
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    Uh....no. We see this error a lot. People take illustrations to extremes.

    Paul was saying by the illustration that it is none of our business. Pay attention to how the illustration begins.
     
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    Now that you realize God elected Israel rather than another people because this would glorify God ypu are getting closer to a biblical understanding.

    Why was Israel different, unlike any other people?
     
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    You are way off the rails on this. Same lump/people appointed to wrath/ people appointed to salvation/ = God's arbitrary choice for His glory. In time the same reprobate and saved showed up in Israel. Both reveal His wrath and Mercy. Just as today. Christian Israel reveals His mercy. Pagan Israel reveals His wrath. Hitler, being slaughtered in 114 nations since 70AD. 70 AD was the worst tribulation ever.
     
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    same lump = arbitrary choice.
     
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    “And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?” Daniel 4:35 (KJV 1900)
     
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    So you believe God's election of Israel was arbitrary even though Scripture says it was not?
     
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    Believe what you will, brother.
     
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    Exactly. According to His will.
     
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    Certainly, you know better than this.
     
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    If God regarded any of us as something, we would share his glory. Let Him knock us down to where we belong. Our only value is in Christ's blood in the limited atonement sense.
     
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    I certainly do. Just trying to share the blessing with you and others.
     
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    No twisting or smearing necessary. You said it, you own it.

    I know what the word “arbitrary” means. You gave the illustration of how that works in your life as an example of how God acts arbitrarily. If that wasn’t your point, then it’s a waste of cyber space because…. as I said, we know what “arbitrary” means.

    Your belief that God acts arbitrarily is unbiblical. Your example of your own arbitrary decisions is simply proof of you projecting your own decision making process upon Almighty God.

    peace to you
     
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    Here's how it works. one sinful lump of humanity. God is no respecter of persons. So he arbitrarily selects a portion to display the glory of His wrath through. From the rest of the same sinful lump, He displays the glory of His mercy. If not arbitrarily selected, why did He choose you?
     
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