While these "natural born nations" are being reigned over by the "good" christians, there are millions of "bad" christians in hell?
God the author and finisher of all salvation?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by webdog, Oct 26, 2006.
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Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
If they are written in the book of life, they will not go into the lake of fire, but instead will live with Him, never to die again.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. -
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I think we all have a tendency to underestimate God sometimes. Folks like Bob underestimate the goodness (God won't save someone who doesn't return the favor) while we tend to underestimate the severity. Cut off, in the bible, is never a good thing. -
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Therefore (the writer concludes) the young ruler must have been saved. Now there's a leap of logic. Because the young ruler believes he followed the law, he must have been saved.
Then he goes on to base a lot of following conclusions on those unfounded assumptions.
Not to mention the context implies otherwise.
IMO, the whole work is a masterpiece of disaster. -
If you are saying I don't believe God saves a person while he is committing adultery or killing someone then you are right about me for I believe someone has to repent and believe to be saved. -
Come on KE advocates. I have yet to see an answer. If God is the author and finisher of salvation...who's the author and finisher of Kingdom salvation? -
How does this verse play into the KE view?
Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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And you haven't answered my question yet either. Why do you want an answer when you are convinced we are wrong anyway? What is the point? Is an answer to this specific question what is going to turn the table for you or something?
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The reason I want to know? Because if ME is as truthful as you suggest it is, this should be a very easy question to answer. -
It is a very easy question to answer. There is nothing evasive, just curious as to why you want to know. It's not going to matter what we say, becuase you aren't going to believe it anyway.
The answer can be found in many different places, but we can just start here. Salvation is from the Lord. There are you a Word of the Kingdom believer now webdog? :) -
This is the same problem the catholics have with eternal salvation. What's the "grading curve"...10%, 51%...90%? Why hasn't God set a specific standard to follow?
Would you send your child to a school that the teacher met on only one occasion to tell them there would be a final exam in 12 weeks and to be ready...but in the mean time they would not meet again, nor would she tell them what the exam is about?
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