Not really much here.
Half a verse?
Did you miss the Scripture presented along with that half a verse?
All means all and men means men...
God bless.
God's love question
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Judith, May 12, 2015.
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Still no address of the points.
And silence?
You have said absolutely nothing.
Except to deny the Gospel...
Here it is again:
Acts 2:32-40
King James Version (KJV)
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Your argument does not stand, as no argument denying the Gospel of Christ stands.
And you really need to learn how to properly quote. Just copy and paste the code that looks like this...
(QUOTE=Iconoclast;2222794)
...before each quote and follow each quote with...
(/QUOTE)
(brackets [ ] changed to parentheses ( ) to disable code so you can see them)
God bless. -
Repeated claims of "I know Scripture and you do not" hardly qualify as answering the points.
"This has nothing to do with the topic"?
Puh-leeeze...
All means all and man means man.
God bless. -
Why else have you completely ignored them?
God bless. -
The Exclusivity Of God's Love
The Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children.
For what children are not disciplined by their father?
If you are not disciplined --and everyone undergoes discipline --then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. (NIV)
It is saying that God's discipline is upon everyone he loves. It is not saying that his love resides on those He does not discipline.
Nobody who is honest will claim the opposite. The Lord's love doesn't rest on those he does not rebuke and does not discipline.
"But when the kindness and love of God our Saviour appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Saviour, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. (NIV)
The passage says "he saved us" twice. The Lord saved certain ones --not every individual. Only certain ones receive mercy --not every person. Only certain ones have a rebirth --not every soul. Only particular persons are given a renewal by the Holy Spirit "poured out generously" --not everyone. Only certain ones are justified by his grace and made heirs with the hope of eternal life --not everyone.
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, (NIV)
That is not any kind of generic love --it is His particular love shed on the elect. Notice the pronoun "us" that is said three times. Only His elect are seated with Him in the heavenly realms --because He chose to make "us" alive. It's due solely to His great "love for us" you should note.
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As I said before, your soteriology is as sloppy as your eschatology and your posting technique.
You are a slicer and dicer to be sure.
You have cut out anything you knew you could not answer.
Anyone can make claims of knowing Scripture, and like you have, call your antagonist satanic.
But you know that every word you said was quoted and answered, and you could not do the same, because you know that...
...all means all, and men means men, and that your doctrine denies some very simple truths which hinder your theology system:
John 1:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
That the world knew Him not does not change the fact that He was the True Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Perhaps if I over-emphasized my text and believe like you that this makes what I say more true you might understand what the Word, which I have not altered...actually states.
Romans 5:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
All men means all men.
You won't change the fact that the Gift of God is given unto all men, though only those who believe will be saved.
Let's see you actually address these two passages this time.
Spare me "What I believe is right and what you believe is wrong..."
...and address the Scripture.
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Rippon said: ↑You are again in opposition to God's Holy Word.
You need to read with more understanding.
The word "world" is not in the text. So your vanology comes up short once again.Click to expand...
John 1:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
...?
And does this...
Romans 5:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
...not say that the free gift came upon all men?
God bless. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterDarrell C said: ↑Apparently you do not like the verses I gave.
Why else have you completely ignored them?
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Iconoclast said: ↑I suspected you had nothing to say you guys never do now you've removed all doubt these empty replies and you have no interest in really discussing the topic because you can't make your case from the ScripturesClick to expand...
Try to address them. Show why they do not mean what they say.
You can kid yourself that you have not only been answered but answered well, but you know that is not the case. You have cut out anything that denies your Theology System.
Get to it. Two passages in the last post, address then.
God bless. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
it's clear you don't understand Romans 5:12 21 for you to state Romans 518 stand by itself as if all men are justified that is ridiculous
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
you said nothing much less all that needs to be said.
go back to zephiniah 3 and show me the love of God is for the whole world -
Iconoclast said: ↑you said nothing much less all that needs to be said.
go back to zephiniah 3 and show me the love of God is for the whole worldClick to expand...
Told you that you would run.
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Iconoclast said: ↑it's clear you don't understand Romans 5:12 21 for you to state Romans 518 stand by itself as if all men are justified that is ridiculousClick to expand...
Instead of making things up.
Of course, I guess sloppy quoting procedure allows for imposing something false as said by someone else.
Not one word you said was cut out. Not one word. And every word received a response.
Quote me saying Romans 1:18 "Stands by itself as if..." but wait...
...we see the imposition of what you want to see right there in those two little words...as if.
Since you cannot address the Scripture you are forced to cut the points out and answer with falsities.
Nice.
How does that make you feel, Iconoclast?
God bless. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Dc
Not one word you said was cut out. Not one word. And every word received a response.
How does that make you feel, Iconoclast?
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I suppose I feel a bit sorry for you if you think you answered to the replies you were given your answers are completely incoherent to the responses that were offered to you -
Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
The Word here says that God hates sinners and no it does not mean that he loves them but hates their sin -
Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Psalm 11
5 The Lord examines the righteous,
but the wicked, those who love violence,
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJudith said: ↑Recently I saw a poster that said the bible is the only book in the world where the Author is in love with every person who reads it.
Just a side note if I was writing that I would change it to "loves every person who reads it" instead of "is in love with every person who reads it." None the less
We know what the bible says in John 3:16, so does that mean that He loves every single person? If so, and only those who get saved are those who are predestined/chosen, how is this love manifest for the not predestined/chosen?Click to expand...
John 3:16 is a call to all men an women to believe the Gospel. It does not mean that he loves the elect and the lost to the same degree -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Darrell C
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
All men means all men.
You won't change the fact that the Gift of God is given unto all men, though only those who believe will be saved.
Continued...Click to expand...
Anyone with any biblical understanding knows that All men are physically born IN ADAM....by physical birth....
Only those In Christ are given Justification unto life....by new birth spiritual birth......ALL men do not have new birth.....
So your foolish all men statement is false.
You do not understand God's saving love.Click to expand...
You create a caricature of that saving love, ignoring that it is because God loves all menClick to expand...
It is only the children Given by the Father to the SON. They are identified as the seed of Abraham....not the seed of Adam....all biblical facts that someone such as yourself ignores.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham
that He took upon Himself the form of man and died, making the Gift of salvation available to all.Click to expand...
He died for the children, the sheep....no more/no less.
You are blurring the lines because you are exclusionary in your doctrine. You have not the saving love of God, or His heart in regards to the lost...in mind.Click to expand...
You have a country club mentality.Click to expand...
Unlike you, I have addressed every word and Scripture you have presented and countered with passages showing the error of country club mentality.Click to expand...
You read them carelessly and did not begin to grasp what I or Rippon was posting to you:wavey:
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterWhich shows God's love towards unrepentant sinful man.
Now try to calculate that into your doctrine.
If God can show that love to the Elect while they are yet sinners, dead in tresp[asses and sins, having not the first element of worthiness...
...why would that love be withheld from all men?Click to expand...
Your agreement dismantles your dogma.Click to expand...
Are you sure about that?Click to expand...
So we agree that God saves according to grace and mercy.
Now if we could just agree on who God's grace and mercy is extended toClick to expand...
You would have to believe in the biblical doctrine of election which it looks as if you do not understand it at all.
Ephesians 3:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
The Gospel goes unto all the world, not just the Elect. It goes through the Elect, but not just to them.Click to expand...
Relevance?Click to expand...
Again, we are speaking about God's love bestowed on...who?
You say only the Elect. And then try to proof-text that by ignoring texts which make it abundantly clear.Click to expand... -
Certain People Not The Objects Of His Love
Proverbs 16:4:
The Lord works out everything to its proper end --even the wicked for a day of disaster.
[Certainly not a bad hair day! Judgment Day and thereafter in Perdition.]
Acts 1:25:
to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs
[Judas was assigned a place in Perdition along with many others who also go where they belong.]
Romans 9:11-13 :
Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad --in order that God's purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls --she was told, 'The older will serve the younger.' Just as it is written: 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'
[Lots can be drawn out of the above passage. Suffice it to say that God loved Jacob and hated Esau. No gymnastics can undo the scripturasl meaning.]
1 Thessalonians 5:9 :
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
[The "us" are the elect. He has appointed the rest to suffer wrath.]
2 Peter 2:12 :
But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.
[The word "perish" has more weight than mere death. They will experience an eternity of the second death.]
2 Peter 2:17 :
These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.
[They have the same room reservations as Judas.]
Jude 4a :
For certain individuals who were marked out for condemnation...
[They were sentenced to eternal doom.]
There is not a hint of love that God has for them.
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