When one believes the Gospel, they are merely receiving the Testimony of God as to what God says is True, Factual to God !
1 Cor 2:1
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1 Jn 5:9
9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
God's Purpose - Done or to be done?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Biblicist, Apr 24, 2012.
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
There is no such thing as a DOUBLE reality but that is moronic doctrine you are teaching. -
the bib
These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine
You are not God, it is Blasphemous for you to even put yourself in His Class, with your mind ! -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
This is the way you operate - jerking things out of context and that is precisely what you are forced to do to teach your false doctrines. -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It does not take a genius to figure out that it could only exist as a IMMATERIAL thought described in the Bible as a DETERMINED THOUGHT or "purpose." It had no REAL existence in God's Mind because the REAL universe is MATTER in its REAL existence.
Therefore heed God's own words concerning this matter "I HAVE purposed it, I WILL do it." -
Since God already knows that jesus will return again, and has already prefixed that event/time etc
isn't it already aPRESENT FACT IN HIS MIND, so already must have happened?
God knew I would be saved, determined and make sure of that fact, but isn't it when it actually happens to me, by faith in jesus, when it really happens? -
the bib
You do not believe that, you have no ideal what Salvation is, and you proclaim a False and accursed Gospel.
And the non elect, have been nothing but condemned and under God's Wrath from Everlasting, nothing can change it ! -
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God knows that I will get saved exactly, when/how etc, but i actually get saved in my time/space when it happensfrom MY frame of reference! -
Hilarious!
One tries to get a word in edgewise on a faultily based OP, and the entire thread is 'The Biblicist' & 'savedbymercy' going back and forth ranting at one another.
It must be a 'personal' thing.
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Your absolute false doctrine was completely exposed by Isaiah 46:11 "I have purposed it, I WILL do it."
Your absolute false doctrine was complete exposed by the analogy of creation in my previous post as no LITERAL ACTUAL creation existed in the mind of God as the mind of God is LITERALL SPIRITUAL not MATERIAL but the LITERAL ACTUAL CREATION is MATERIAL.
Your absolute false doctrine is exposed by your own words as an eternal present is not synonmous with God's eternal purpose! Think it through a bit! Just because God exists in an eternal present does not mean the universe is eternal as that is the false doctrine of pantheism where creation and God cannot be separated from each other. Pantheism is the logical conclusion of your false doctrine. -
the bib
God is an Eternal God, time to Him is a drop in the bucket, He is outside of Time, and we as creatures cannot comprehend things outside of time ! And you have the audacity to compare your mind with God's !
Again, God's Eternal Purpose within Himself is a done deal, but yet in time, it must condescend into the succession of time, seconds, minutes, hours, days , weeks, and years, and decades, all that is in time, that does not move God. When something comes to pass in time, that is not when God views it at coming to past.
That which is temporal , which is time as we know it, cannot govern that which was decided in Eternity, in fact, the Eternal Purpose of God, governs what occurs in time, the things done in time is only manifesting the Eternal Purpose of God, which in His Mind is a forever present ! -
But, has it really happened unless/until it comes to pass in our real time/space?
God knows who will be saved, but are they really saved until the time of their faith in christ? -
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I will take God's Word that what "I HAVE purposed" is not already done but "I WILL DO it." -
the bib
That is what got eve in trouble with the devil lol Gen 3:5
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
See where your ideals come from ? You want to be God, Like God, just like this character Isa 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Why after all, He made me after His Image ! -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
When are you going to stop lying, distorting and perverting what other people say and mean in order to make it fit what you WANT them to say and mean??????
"I HAVE purposed it, I WILL do it" - Isa. 46:11 -
the bib
Now, God and men are different, God is Eternal, His perspective is not dictated by time events, as you and i !
That's why the Gospel Mysteries have to be revealed by God ! Matt 13:11
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
And God does not make them known to all ! -
the bib
The past, the present, the future, are all one present to God ! This does not prevent God's Power still being active in performing His Eternal Purpose in time either !
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