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God's Sovereignty Over Human Politics & Governments

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by KenH, Jun 29, 2022.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    1) No, it is not faulty.
    2) Yes, it is taught in the Bible.

    You have no jurisdiction to say to the Potter that He can't do what He wants to do for His purposes and glory.
     
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    I didnt make that argument you made it for me. Its not my position. And no you have not made the case that its in scripture
     
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    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Romans 9:19-24 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
     
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    You posted scripture and nothing else. You impose your faulty definition on it but provide no real evidence for it. Further, I have no idea what you are thinking you are proving with this verse. I cannot read your mind.
     
  5. KenH

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    Since Scripture alone is not sufficient for you, I will add the following.

    "reference is had to Isa 45:9; Now as it would be a most absurd thing for the clay, was it capable of speaking, to say to the fashioner of it, why dost thou put me into such or such a shape and form? or for any piece of workmanship to say to the maker of it, he has no hands, no head, no judgment and skill; or for a child to say to its parents, what begettest thou, or what hast thou brought forth? so absurd and unreasonable is it, for any to say to God, why hast thou appointed me to such and such ends and purposes, and has brought me into being in such a manner, and under such circumstances?"

    - John Gill's Bible commentary on Romans 9:20
     
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    Ok well since you are incapable of have a reasoned discussion I will leave you to your misery.
     
  7. KenH

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    Misery? No, sir.


    A hymn written by Joseph Irons in Zion's Hymns.

    "Happy Moments"

    1. O! the happiness, arising
    From the life of grace within,
    When the soul is realizing
    Conquests over hell and sin;
    Happy moments!
    Heavenly joys on earth begin.

    2. On the Saviour's fulness living,
    All his saints obtain delight:
    With the strength which he is giving,
    They can wrestle, they can fight;
    Happy moments!
    When King Jesus is in sight.

    3, Nearer! nearer! to him clinging,
    Let my helpless soul be found;
    All my sorrows to him bringing,
    May his grace in me abound;
    Happy moments!
    With new cov'nant blessings crowned.

    4. All the world has nothing charming;
    Foes and sorrows flee away;
    Nor is death itself alarming,
    Jesus took its sting away:
    Happy moments!
    Dawning of eternal day.
     
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    According to Daniel, a Prophet of God, Cyrus is specifically named in his book as the one who would free the Jews to return to Israel.

    God controlled it
     
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    Who disputes this?

    The Reformed teaching that God ordains all that comes to pass is unbiblical rubbish, as this would clearly make God the author of sin

    The teaching that God controls our very thoughts is more unbiblical rubbish
     
  10. KenH

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    Not rubbish at all. It is Biblical. Your man-based theology just rejects it.
     
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    So God controls our lustful thoughts and desires to sin against Him?

    This means that when we carry out the thoughts that the Lord gives us, and commit sin, we are simply carrying out His will for us
     
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    Do you think that you can act independently of God? Do you think that you are stronger than God?
     
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    God is not the author of sin. That is blasphemy

    God leaves the lost to their own wicked thoughts and actions which proves depravity
     
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    Do you think that God owes Pharoah an apology?

    Exodus 7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.
     
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    Nope

    why would you ask me that?
     
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    Nothing to do with the OP
     
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    Show ONE verse from the Bible that says God controls our thoughts
     
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    Show one verse that he doesn't.
    Do you see how silly you are being?
     
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