Always got a dictionary handy don't u? :D well okay i'll not make a deal out of it or anything. lol.
Have you EVER switched views?
Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by whetstone, May 16, 2005.
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I have always accepted Total Inability
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I have always rejected Total Inability
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I used to accept it but now reject it
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I used to reject it but now accept it
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Other
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There is another option. The indoctrination that Calvinism fosters is strong. And like many cults, its adherents fear departing from something that sounds so good; yet, under scrutiny, is not true.
Besides, it's hard to leave a comfort zone, even if the truth is elsewhere. That's another reason some believe and others do not!
For man, there is only one constant, and that is "change". Man changes throughout his whole time limited life. Yes, there are plateau's where it seems like no change is taking place, but that is deceptive at best, because change continues whether or not we want it. Some people struggle intensely to retain something that felt good and seemed right to them. When if they too had changed, they would be better off, because the truth truly does set you free. -
I voted "always believed" for the "TULI" doctrine.
I left out the "P" because I stated "other" on that one.
For me, it depends on how you define perseverance as to whether or not I believe it.
I believe God perseveres in His work; that what He has done will always be done, but I do not believe that every child of God will always persevere himself in spirit and in truth. -
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Never switched views because my views were always right.
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10% are 90% brainwashed
20% are 80% brainwashed
30% are 60% brainwashed
20% are 40% brainwashed
10% are 20% brainwashed
10% are 10% brainwashed
Incidentally, the same ratio applies to Arminians! -
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No, I graded on the bell curve!
One must realize that there are few at either extreme. Most people are near the middle, no matter what your overall persuasion may be.
Look at the politics in this country When was a president elected with more that 60% of the popular vote? When was one elected with less that 40% of the popular vote?
Our Christian religion is like our politics in that regard. There is so little that divides us, and that "little" is routinely what the fringe can and does stir up.
One does not need to do "extensive scientific study" to understand the principle. One needs only to observe, and I've been doing that for over 40 years.
Do you realize why there is only one Gold medal to be won in any contest no matter how many are competing for it? The rule is that only one can be the champion. Every one else is "also ran".
The law of averages tells us where the vast majority resides. Even so, the majority in the middle is not supposed to neglect the trailing minority, not to impede the leading minority. We are to discover ways to include them all, and the common denominator is FAITH in JESUS CHRIST! -
so i guess my next question is wes: Does the amount of brainwashing a person has alter a Biblical truth?
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To that person!
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what i'm saying is this: Let's start with presupposition T=Calvinism is true.
If person A is 100% brainwashed into believing that T is true- how is he wrong?
If person B is 'not brainwashed' but rejects T even though T is presumed true- what does it matter if he isn't brainwashed?
In other words- whether you are brainwashed or not is irrelevant to the objective truth T. All that matters is finding T and clinging to it.
Some people are born and raised in a Christian environment and are 'brainwashed' into believing the Bible is true and Christ is God in human flesh without investigating the matter at all. Does their 'brainwashing' make their position wrong? I don't believe it does. -
Hi Whetstone;
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4His_glory;
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
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Hi ScottJ;
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
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May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike </font>[/QUOTE]You are confusing unconditional with universal. The terms are not synonymous.
Unconditional election is most definitely not a position which makes God out to be "respecting" someone. Unconditional election is the polar opposite of such an idea. It states that God has elected individuals without regard to anything about them. God has chosen for his own reasons, not because of anything special about the individuals elected.
There is, therefore, no "condition" upon which God elects an individual.
I don't hold to unconditional election, but I believe it needs to be fairly represented.
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