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Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

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  1. targus

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    "Natural-born citizens are also those born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of the child.

    Hence, a child born abroad to two US citizen parents is a natural-born citizen: Provided, That at least one citizen parent had previously resided in the United States or one of its outlying possessions. U.S. Code: Title 8, 1401.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/17485112/T...l-Born-Citizen


    Perhaps calling someone a retard wins arguments for you on the playground during recess - but you had best do your homework before trying it here. :laugh:

    How does it feel to be intellectually bested by someone whose IQ is smaller than their hat size?
     
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    That is exactly what they did, and the print out can been seen here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
    His birth certificate, just like everybody else. :)
     
    #22 TCassidy, Jan 19, 2011
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    Why would people who just took office know everything about how records are kept?
    Because they are politicians?
    Could it be that the idiot birthers don't know what they are talking about?
    No, its not.
    It says I may not be the smartest person on the forum but I am smarter than you. I am smart enough to know what the requirements to be a natural born citizen are, as I too was born of only one citizen parent, in a foreign land. :)
     
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    So the State Attorney General doesn't know?

    And no one on the staffs of the Governor or the State Attorney General knows?

    And no one combing the records knows?

    How is it that you know more about the records than the persons charged with keeping them?

    Perhaps you could share a little more detail - because you are not exempt from the legal requirements.

    I suspect that there is some significant information that you are withholding in order to make your claim.
     
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    Keep reading: "Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)."
    Yes, you should try reading the whole statute before posting foolishness. And, yes, birthers are idiots. If you self-identify as a birther then, if the shoe fits don't go away barefooted.
    Sure. You cut and paste birther nonsense without bothering to check your facts and end up not posting the portion of the law that applies to single US citizen parents living outside the US, then, in your ignorance, claim victory. This would be funny if it were not so sad.

    Obama is a natural born citizen by virtue of the fact he was born in the US. And, even if he was not born in the US, he is still a natural born citizen because his mother was and meets the criteria of 1401.
     
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    A little problem:

    "What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

    Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.

    When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US."

    http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html


    Obama's mother was born 11-29-1942

    Obama was born 08-04-1961

    That made his mother 18 years, 8 months, 6 days old when Obama was born.

    If he was born outside of the U.S. then his mother did not meet the requirement of residing in the US for five years after age 14.
     
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    His "Certificate of Live Birth" has the referenced number blacken out - thus insufficient.

    So you you there when he got his drivers license? So did he have his Birth certificate or his Certificate of Live Birth?
     
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    That applies ONLY if the citizen parent is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen. The controlling section is section g. QED.
     
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    No.

    But he still knows what he is talking about.

    After all he did read it on a blog.
     
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    Yeah. I would do the same thing. I have posted information about myself with parts blacked out to avoid identity theft. Not only is it common, it is a good and thoughtful practice.
    Same thing. A distinction without a difference (except to birthers).
     
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    TCassidy-
    You don't paint a very good picture of yourself when you call people names.
     
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    Can I get a link to the blog where you are getting this information?
     
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    Yes, and the problem is, again, yours. Keep reading, "Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother were US citizens if the mother was resident in the US for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child." Obama senior was already married so he "marriage" to Obama's mother was illegal and thus null and void.

    You have still failed to support your assertion that Obama was not born in the US. He mother did not have a US passport until 1967 so she could not have been out of the country in 1961.
     
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    Unlike you I am not getting it from a blog. I am getting it from USC as posted on the Cornell Law School web site!
     
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    Why? Is telling the truth anathema to you?
     
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    Has there been a ruling on this?

    Did the other marriage make Obama's birth out of wedlock?

    I did not say that he was - I said if he was.

    That is why the birth certificate is important.


    And you know this how?
     
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    It would be most helpful if you were to provide a link.
     
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    Google it. Cornell University is pretty well known.
     
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    Do I detest the way you portray yourself by your juvenile name-calling? No. You seemed wound up and pehaps you weren't aware of it. Apparently you were.

    Good luck with that.
     
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    Yes, my son is graduating with a Masters from Cornell in May.

    However that does not help me much in locating the specific document that your are referencing.

    Is there some particular reason why you do not wish to share the link?
     
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