Some have called it, "Lordship Salvation", in that, unless a person comes to Christ and lays down their life and will in favor of His, then they cannot be saved.
To me, the person who preaches this, makes the evidence of someone being saved, into a prerequisite in order to be born again.
I've even seen it being included as part of the "sinner's prayer".
It kind of goes like this:
" I promise to lay down my life for you, and do anything you ask...if only you'll save me."
I used to believe that it was biblical.
But I later discovered that it doesn't come from the Bible.:(
He That Overcometh!
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by tyndale1946, Sep 11, 2019.
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For the OP of this thread, the "7 church age" doctrine is false, simple as THAT !
And we see more "worx" silliness. To be saved takes ACTION by the person being saved; no way around it. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the word of God. Hearing is an ACTION. faith is an ACTION. Calling on the name of the Lord is an ACTION. And actions are worx.
"Not by works" means one isn't saved by just doing good deeds without any faith in Jesus, nor belief. It does NOT meen good worx are actually bad! Let's not become obsessed over worx in salvation. -
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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
We must cooperate with the Spirit of Christ in expediting our maturity
1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Some things take time
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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Scripture also sez faith without worx is dead. What God is telling us that faith in Jesus & good worx go hand-in-hand; neither is any good without the other.
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It is sad to see claims that putting our faith and belief in Christ constitutes a works based salvation. Paul teaches specifically it is not works. Romans 4:4-5.
How do we become "overcomers?" By putting our faith toward Christ? Nope. By God crediting our faith toward Christ as righteousness? Yep.
We do make ourselves overcomers, God does!
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Paul surrendered in;
Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
One minute Paul is out to be killing Christians and the next he asked Christ what would He have him do. That is surrender.
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Yeah, I value Hank’s opinions, regardless, or I wouldn’t ask for them. He’s beat me to punch around here enough, taken the words right out of my mouth enough, came up with that scripture I was looking for enough to know he’s a pretty good asset to have around.
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he usually is referring to "the world of unbelievers".
So yes, BACs have overcome (risen above, etc.) these poor people.
Here is Jesus' definition of who an "overcomer" is ...
"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
(Revelation 3:21)
What and who did Jesus overcome? ... temptation, sin, the flesh, the devil, persecution, etc. -
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e.g. TOTAL DEPRAVITY.
How can we be totally depraved if we are made in the image and likeness of God?
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1) Do spiritually dead lost individuals have the spiritual ability to appropriately respond to the milk of the gospel? Did HankD answer with a NO or a YES?
2) Were we chosen through faith in the truth, as per 2 Thessalonians 2:13, or were we chosen individually unconditionally? What was HankD's answer? I do not know either.
3) Did Christ die for all mankind, those to be saved and those never to be saved? Or did Christ only die for the individuals supposedly chosen before they were created? Who knows where HankD stands?
4) Are we compelled irresistibly to "willingly" believe in Christ, or does God give us the choice? Who knows where HankD stands.
5) Once Saved are we Always Saved, or can we decide become "un-born anew" after we have been born anew? Who knows where HankD stands?
My non-Calvinist answers (except #5) are: Yes the lost can appropriately respond to the milk of the gospel. Yes we were chosen through faith in the truth, a conditional election. Yes, Christ died for all mankind. Yes God gives us the choice to trust in Christ, rather than compelled to believe. Yes, once we are saved, we are always saved, and cannot lose our salvation.
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