House Votes to Officially Ban Placing Veterans on No-Gun Lists by the VA

[Revmitchell]

Veterans will now be prohibited from being placed on a no-gun list by the Department of Veteran Affairs, even if the VA considers the veteran to be suffering from mental illness, according to a controversial bill that just passed the House.

As reported by Stars & Stripes

The House voted 240-175 approving the Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act, which will now go to the Senate. Critics of the bill said it would make it easier for veterans with mental illnesses to access firearms, which would increase risk of suicide and pose a danger to families.

BREAKING: House Votes to Officially Ban Placing Veterans on No-Gun Lists by the VA

 

[Baptist Believer]

Veterans will now be prohibited from being placed on a no-gun list by the Department of Veteran Affairs, even if the VA considers the veteran to be suffering from mental illness, according to a controversial bill that just passed the House.

That doesn't make sense to me. Can anyone who is for this legislation explain why it is a good idea? (Please note, I am a supporter of the Second Amendment and a gun owner.)

Critics of the bill said it would make it easier for veterans with mental illnesses to access firearms, which would increase risk of suicide and pose a danger to families.

Yes, exactly. Now, someone who wants to kill themselves will find a way to do it in a matter of hours, but it would likely cut down on impulsive suicides.

I grew up in a gun and hunting culture, where even children knew exactly what firearms do when they are pointed at living things. Consequently, most suicides I know of from that region were committed by jumping from extremely tall bridges (plenty of them in the area) or by intentional drug overdoses.

 

[carpro]

A blanket deal? No. Shouldn't be. Veterans can be just as mentally ill as anyone else.


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[TCassidy]

That doesn't make sense to me. Can anyone who is for this legislation explain why it is a good idea?

I would be glad to. Under present practice a Veteran does not have to be declared emotionally disturbed or even be treated for emotional issues. In fact no VA or outside doctor needs to question in any way his emotional status.

All that has to happen is that the Veteran needs assistance handling his finances!

I have a friend who married his high school sweetheart when she was 16 and he was 17. She died a couple years ago at age 72. She was a CPA so she handled all the couples finances. In all their years of marriage he had never even written a check.

So, after her death he asked the VA if there was anyone who could help him with financial matters. The VA, without any logical reason, appointed a conservator to handle his finances and in so doing reported he was "incompetent" and the state, on that basis, forced him to surrender his License to Carry.

All the legislation does is prevent the VA from unilaterally declaring a person "incompetent" without any medical evidence or any Trier of Fact (court) taking Judicial Notice of his abnormal mental state.

 

[Happy]

Mental disorders affect one in four people

Geneva, 4 October— One in four people in the world will be affected by mental or neurological disorders at some point in their lives. World Health Organization report.

Seems to me like a broad guess and a crutch to make legal claims, wiggle out of responsibilities and lawmakers to make unnecessary laws.

 

[HankD]

The "progressives" tactic - Take a borderline situation then promote it to a national crisis then pass legislation (or regulations) in order to defeat the 2nd amendment (or any other Bill of Rights/Constitution venue).

HankD

 

[TCassidy]

One in four people in the world will be affected by mental or neurological disorders at some point in their lives. World Health Organization report.

Dumbest statement I ever read on the internet. There is a HUGE difference between a mental disorder and a neurological disorder.

I have a neurological disorder (MS) as does every person with neuropathy due to diabetes or other causes. But that does not imply we have a mental disorder.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

 

[Happy]

Dumbest statement I ever read on the internet. There is a HUGE difference between a mental disorder and a neurological disorder.

I have a neurological disorder (MS) as does every person with neuropathy due to diabetes or other causes. But that does not imply we have a mental disorder.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

World Health Organization ~ seemingly can research, collect data, then distribute "their" data according to how "they" have determined it should be "classified" ~ resulting in pretty much "everyone" has "issues".

Breaking news ~ NOT ~

The question is ~ Who goes through life without experiencing a "hardship" from time to time. Some longer than others.

The data of the World Health Organization is flawed, as are most stats flawed and misleading.

For example; If you were moving out of one place, but not yet moved into another place, AND part of a statistical report, you would have been consider "homeless" in the gathering phase of information to compile the date, and thereafter the report.

 

[Baptist Believer]

All the legislation does is prevent the VA from unilaterally declaring a person "incompetent" without any medical evidence or any Trier of Fact (court) taking Judicial Notice of his abnormal mental state.

Thanks for the explanation. This makes a lot of sense!