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Featured How 2 Cor 5:19 teaches limited atonement !

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    Do I understand what? Do you understand how we understand differently?
     
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    Never mind let it go
     
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    Who are the Us Here ?

    Rom 5:8

    But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.


    This US refers to the Sheep as Per Jesus Christ words Jn 10:11

    I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

    Or its appropriate to say the US in Rom 5:8 refers to Gods Elect as it does in Rom 8:33-34

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    Its clearly seen here that Christ died in Vs 34 is connected to why none can lay anything to the charge of Gods Elect in Vs 33
     
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    Before we were His sheep.
     
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    Also in Jn 3:16 those who God so Loved that He gave His Only begotten for, they are the Sheep. They are the Ones Believing and have Eternal or Everlasting Life. Its confirmed by Jn 10:11

    11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. This confirms that God gave His Only begotten Son

    Jn 10:28

    28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. This confirms they are given Eternal or Everlasting Life !

    Jn 10:26,27

    26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    This proves that its the Sheep who are the whosoever is believing in Jn 3:16.

    And they're the Ones Christ laid down His Life for Jn 10:11,15
     
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    While they are Sheep, just lost Sheep at the time. Did you know Sheep start out lost ? Read Lk 15:4,6

    What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

    And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
     
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    Luke 15:3, And he spake this parable unto them, saying, . . .
    Verse 6, . . . for I have found my sheep which was lost.

    Parables are not typically literal.
     
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