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How am I condemned?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Feb 13, 2018.

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  1. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    Since we know : Jesus said
    Jhn 5:22
    "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

    and we know: Jesus said
    Jhn 8:15
    "Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man."

    and we know: We are condemned already

    Jhn 3:18
    "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"

    How am I condemned?
     
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    Hopefully, you're not condemned.
    Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    Before salvation, we were all condemned because the sin debt that our grandfather Adam passed down to us all (Romans 5:12) required a payment. Until that payment is made and subsequently appropriated to our account, we are condemned.
     
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    That would be as a man, though

    And we know the sins of the father are not visited upon the son

    Eze 18:20
    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear theiniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    We are all condemned, some of us have been pardoned
     
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    Would you say that we sin because we are Sinners or were Sinners because we sin
     
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    We are sinners, therefore we sin,
     
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    NOTHING to do with the spiritual sin debt problem, but that one would not be physically executed for violating the Law, unless they actually did it!
     
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    I am responsible for my own sin, not my fathers,

    I was condemned without the Law. Do you have to know the Law in order to ne saved?


    how as a man them, am i condemned?

    Jesus said God didn't did not do it, Jesus said He judgeth no man, so?
     
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    Adam cursed all of us in Him, Jesus bless and undid that curse to all now in Him!
     
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    That would be as a man, Jesus said He does not judge man.
     
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    God the Father judged all to be receiving same conditional state Adam had after the fall, lost and spiritually dead...
     
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    NOT while upon the earth at His first Coming, but He will, remember the GWT yet to come?
     
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    who condemned me then?
     
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    What is your opinion?
     
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    Do you think any of your college associates could offer their oponion?
     
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    maybe an administrator could help?
     
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    romans 3:23.....All sinned...In Adam.....we are conceived in sin;
    5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

    We are born Spiritually dead. Pastor Bob is doing a fine job of walking you through this. Try not to combine verses from different contexts to avoid confusion.....Those who are born of God move from death to life.
    Those who remain in Adam continue on to second death;
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

     
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    You did friend, God's foreknowledge sees who will truly believe on Christ and who won't throughout the ages. Therefore it is logical for Him to say that you are condemned already since you will not believe unto life. Because of this fact, you then condemn yourself with your own words, see below:

    Matt 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

    36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

    37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
     
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    Calm down Poor in Spirit.....You do not know who is or is not condemned. That is not the proper use of the biblical term foreknowledge.
    God "knows" who will believe because He has elected them to believe.
    You and I do not "know" who the elect are so we preach to all....where there is life there is hope.
     
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