How am I condemned?

Ah! Thank you.

 

I'm not going to engage in cryptic dialog. What Christ has taught is plain in Scripture. Engage in my post, please.

 

Pastor Bob mentioned Romans 5:12

Romans 5:12 Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned --

All the verbs are aorist - past tense.

When Adam sinned we were all there and sinned as well.

We are condemned already.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


HankD

 

No, there is no existence before being "formed in (the) mother's womb."

Philosophy would separate the body from the soul and spirit. However, one cannot have such a separation and function. Which is why when the believer casts off this old body in what is called death, they have been given that new body which is "like His."

Now, "...It does not appear what we shall be, but we shall be like Him..."

Christ is God. God has always existed. So of course a body had to be prepared for Him. Humankind are not from eternity past, but each is formed by the will of God according to His design and designated purpose. As God formed Adam and breathed into him never ending life and took from Adam and formed Eve. However, in the Scriptures there is limited information as to how this all took place and the function of each.

There is Scripture that state that only God can separate them. (Hebrews 4:12)

There is Scripture that state that God preserves and discerns each. (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

There is Scripture that state that God demands complete devotion of all "parts." (Matthew 22:37)

There is Scripture that states that there is an eternal body and soul that can be cast to hell. (Matthew 10:28)

Which brings us to the next part of your post.

Who said our body does not sin?

If the body does not sin, why would the Lord point to parts of the body that need to be controlled, as you mentioned in your post?

The flesh sins. (Ephesians 5:6, Romans 7:25)

From the very core of who a person is (referred to as the heart among the Europeans, the bowels in the middle asians...) come the sexual sins, the murders, the evil thoughts and musings...

I do not agree that the soul exists without a body. Rather, the Scriptures indicate that the soul leaves this body of corruption and is given a new incorruptible body. (1 Corinthians 5)

Now a personal note:

Should the Scriptures have given more information about how all the "parts" (soul, mind, body, spirit...) fit and worked, taking each part and intricately explaining how each is formed and for what purpose and how the fall impacted them differently, then this attempt at separation might have some traction.

But that is not the presentation of the Scriptures.

The Scriptures are not specific, and when they are not, then it is not given to humankind to demand a specific. It is enough that the Scriptures present the person as a complete package, formed by God for God's purpose.

For the believer, there is this struggle of wills that takes place. That struggle between the will born of the flesh, and the will given by God at the new birth that one day inhabits the new body.

It is not evil to philosophize as long as it is not attempting to establish what is beyond the Scriptures, but merely musings and intellectual wondering. But be careful that the wondering does not transform into something that can be held as the truth. Only what is Scriptural is what is the truth and in the matter presented in your post the Scriptures do not give specific information in such a manner as to extend beyond the basic statements that there are parts, that they are intricately connected, and that sin infests all of it.

 

There is a limited sense in which one can say we pre-existed our physical birth in that God knew each of us from eternity.

Also, there is an ancient heretical body of belief called Gnosticism (many forms) which basically teaches that no matter what we do in the flesh it does not matter as to the disposition of the eternal spirit/soul which has arrived at perfection through spiritual knowledge (gnosis).

This corruption entered the church early on.

Yes there are actually those "christians" who teach that we can go ahead and sin as much as we want if we are saved.

First, if we are indeed saved and are led away into this doctrine of demons then physical death awaits us as the scripture declared to the Corinthian Christians.

1 Corinthians 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

and those of the fornicators of the Church of Thyatira:

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

There is the other possibility that those who "practice" sin but are in reality the following:

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

He called them rulers.

 

That is why I said Gnosticism presents in "many forms" which point you proved

 

So what? Adam's sin is why we are sinners.