As already stated - even Peter rejected the RC practice (that evolved over time) of baptizing infants.
And obviously - we have no example of such baptisms taking place for infants EVEN in the Baptisms that were done BEFORE the cross.
But what is "really interesting" is the RC confession of how they evolved this error. (Hmm "Evolved" and "Confession", evolution and the confessional - two other doctrines that the RC evolved - seem to fit right in here. But that is another story.)
Cath Digest article Parenthhesis mine in the quotes below from the June 1999 article.
Please see www.catholicdigest.org for the full article that hints to the changes that have evolved over time.
And then there is the RC Historian Thomas Bokenkotter AFFIRMING the evolutionary picture we see in the quotes above.
In Christ,
Bob
How are infants justified before God?
Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Carson Weber, Jul 2, 2003.
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Ok - here it is.
Bob -
Carson,
1 Cor 3:15 is not a stand alone verse of scripture. It certainly does not support Purge-atory! The Context for 1 Cor 3:15 is verses 8 through 23.
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Hi Taufgesinnter,
I don't know if you recognize this or not, but you've sidestepped the discussion completely and changed it into a small commentary on how you believe the Catholic Church is apostate, which is very odd method of dialogue. That's all and well that you think that about Catholicism (several of my Catholic theology professors thought so at one point in the past as well when they were still Anti-Catholic Protestants), but it hardly advances our dialogue or addresses the Biblical arguments that I have set forward in my posts above. -
A perfect example of how infant Baptism - evolved in the RCC "over time".
In Christ,
Bob -
Hello, everyone. I'm sort of just jumping in here and backtracking a little. I noticed near the beginning of this thread that a question about how Baptists view the death/salvation of infant issue. Well, Baptists, like mosts denominations, run from the ultra-conservative legalists to almost antinomian liberals. But I think that the words of conservative Baptist pastor John MacArthur, Jr. would summerize the view of most conservative Baptists. Rather than quote him extensively, here are a couple of links to his thoughts on the subject which closly parallel my own thoughts:
The Salvation of Babies Who Die--Part 1
http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/80-242.htm
The Salvation of Babies Who Die--Part 2
http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/80-243.htm
Blessings,
Sreve -
John MacArther is misrepresenting the Lutheran position. Baptized babies are not saved by surrogate faith but by their own faith received of the Holy Spirit by the Word.
Lutherans do not deny that some children are saved without Baptism but not without the Word. The Holy Spirit does not create faith without means.
I believe that it is human pride that leads some parents to deny the gift of faith to their children. They believe that human reason is necessary to receive Christ, not faith alone. -
Scriptures repeatedly tell humans to believe, an action verb that says we humans are to do something with the information that we receive. To deny that we are to form opinions and to accept or reject information is to completely deny that Jesus, who is God, TOLD US TO DO SO, in accordance with the way HE MADE US!
Since believing is not something that is "implanted in humans" from an external source, it takes human reason to believe! Believing is entirely human (subdeity), Deity requires no believing!
Believing is entirely individual to the one who believes. Hense discussion BBSs where the beliefs of diverse persons are aired and argued.
As to receiving Christ, the term 'receiving' means believing, which is a totally individual human thing to do! I cannot receive Christ for you or anyone else, and You cannot receive Christ for me or anyone else. Receiving Christ is not a group effort either, though many can simultaneously receive Christ, they do not collectively receive Christ, but rather receive Him individually, among others who are also receiving Him.
Without Human reason, no human would have faith! -
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