Don't start getting twisted Winman. You're getting subjective here and now alluding that only "true" scholars are the ones who see things your way in Revelation 3:20.
Spurgeon was simpling using this as an invitation, it has been used so long that people think "interpretation" but, it is not. A devotional is typically application, surely you are aware of this?
You have this opinion that all calvinists are anti-evangelistic. I know plenty of "calvinists" that are quite evangelistic and would preach the same as Spurgeon, who also is a noted Calvinist. Not everyone who holds to the DoG are non-evangelistic. Including myself.
Do you use Bible Programs or not? Also, you should readily look at commentary from many different views.
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How Calvinists are like Charismatics
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by stilllearning, Jul 8, 2011.
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Let me point this out, to make charismatics similar to Calvinists based upon this passage is ridiculous. As noted, there are substantial reasons to base this verse on a call to the church. We can disagree with the interpretation and still walk away disagreeing with the premise of the original post which said:
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I could equate Charismatics with KJVOs, dispensationalists, Arminians, etc., just the way you have with Calvinists. But why? It's just red herring after red herring. Got better things to do with my time. I appreciate your statement about being open to correction. Praise God for that. Consider those who are trying to do so lovingly. -
But your point is a good one and shows why a certain person's insistence on studying the beliefs of scholars or following creeds is a problem, all scholars and creeds do not agree.
So, who are you going to believe, Gill's interpretation, or Barnes's interpretation? Which creed do you believe?
The only sure and reliable way to know correct doctrine is to study the scriptures and depend upon the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth as the scriptures promise (Jn 16:13). Relying on fallible men is in fact doubting Jesus's promise is it not? -
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If I was the messenger in the church that received that to give to the church I would take as needed to be spread out and not to keep in the church. I feel all scripture teaches the church to be an example to a dead world with the message of life. All scripture points to Jesus as the church should be doing. -
I did not say one word about Calvinists being evangelistic or not, I do not know where you got that from my posts. I am talking about the interpretation of this passage, nothing more.
I don't have any Bible programs on my computer, although I go online to Blue Letter Bible to look up verses, use a online KJB to copy and paste verses, and will go to several "Bible commentaries online" to look up various authors of commentaries. I rarely consult commentaries, when I do it is usually to show that my intepretations of scripture are very orthodox and held by noted scholars, such as I did in this case. I didn't form my opinion from them, they just happen to hold the same view. -
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1 Cor 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Here Paul was directly speaking of the Israelites who had tempted God and he sent fiery serpents among them. Paul explains that this passage in Numbers 21 applies to all believers, not just those OT Jews.
Some folks attempt to explain away scripture that applies to us by arguing context, that certain verses only applied directly to the persons mentioned in scripture. Sometimes this is true, but even when this is the case there is always a lesson and example for every believer. -
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Wiman wrote:
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But, just so you know I bookmarked your post for the next time I get in a discussion about John 6. :) -
Don't think you and I have discussed it, have we? Maybe you're going to use me against other Reformed folks :)
That's okay. I'm not Reformed enough for some Reformed folks, and I'm too Reformed for many non-Reformed. I must be somewhere close to the truth then :type: -
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so I will just go sit in a field somewhere and wait for a special light to lead me:thumbs: Oh wait...isn't that Joseph Smith's testimony? -
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11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether these things were so.
HOW DARE these evil Bereans question Paul! Who do they think they are, searching the scriptures to see if what Paul taught was true!
What's that? The scriptures say they were MORE NOBLE?
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?hturt eht gnillet si ohw wonk uoy od woH
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