How do you feel about anything but the American flag, flown in the States?

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

... and instead of operating out of the liberal box, listen to what is being said. There are times you make sense, and then there are times that I swear you've been drinking the kool aid! I am talking about people that want us to accept them, in the state of being poor, needy and here illegally, and I am thinking that they hurt their cause by waving their countries flag in the face of the very people who will pay, initially, to get them settled and on the way to being a citizen.



Let me ask this, would you like it if you led a group of people to Jesus, and they started showing up to services and church events with a Lutheran flag, or a Catholic flag, or a Pentagram on a flag. And these people stood up in your First Batpist church and started marching around singing or chanting things related to the emblam or flag they brought to lift up and display showing where they came from or out of!



I think the deacons and a majority of your church would be offended, if not you C4K! This is the point I am trying to get across. I don't care if they hang their falgs in the privacy of their home, but to go and protest demanding amnesty and drivers licenses while waving their flag and shouting Mexico chants and singing Mexican songs, that is rude. If they arrived to protest and waved american flags and sang the national anthem in spanish, that would be something that said to me, they want to be part of what we are all about!



But their failure to assimilate and still carry loyalty for their homeland is a slap in the face of Smericans everywhere!

Pardon my grin - my post was intended for TND whose post I was quoting. He posted virtually those identical words in another flag thread .

I fail to see how your church scenario has anything to do with public flag displays. Please excuse my ignorance.

I can't see how, in a country built on freedom, the flying of foreign flags is inconsistent with freedom.

Assimilation? I think I remember a brilliant Twilight Zone episode or two criticising communism that deal with such 'assimilation.'

If these thoughts really make me a liberal it is a badge I will wear with honour.

 

[righteousdude2]

Pardon my grin - my post was intended for TND whose post I was quoting. He posted virtually those identical words in another flag thread .

I fail to see how your church scenario has anything to do with public flag displays. Please excuse my ignorance.

I can't see how, in a country built on freedom, the flying of foreign flags is inconsistent with freedom.

Assimilation? I think I remember a brilliant Twilight Zone episode or two criticising communism that deal with such 'assimilation.'

If these thoughts really make me a liberal it is a badge I will wear with honour.

I could see your grin, strange as that sounds! :smilewinkgrin:

Come on, my church scenario is something that you can wrap your head around, and I'd like to know what you would do if that happened?

Amuse me .... grin and give me an answer!

I was trying to draw a comparison for you that would be something like I feel.

I am not for legislating one flag only. I thought I had a good point though and yet you skip over the points like a flat rock on a smooth pond.

I can't believe fomr one minute that you or your church would accept that kind of behavior. And what I am saying is that their behavior is like sticking their country in the face of all Americans! There are times that I go to certain areas of California and feel as though I stepped out of reality and into another country!

If I want a Mexican or south of the border flavor, I go to a Mexican restaurant. If I want fish and chips, British style, I go to an English pub. If I have a taste for French, Mimi's isn't to far off course!

I am telling you that the folks I know are tired of incondierate foreigners, hear illegally, taking over parks, neighborhods and other things because part of becoming a citizen shuld invole a growth in loyalty to the country you are living in and plan to die in!

Let's say I snuck into Ireland, and got hired as a pastor of a local church, yet because I didn't agree with the IRA and other issues that led to years of killing, spoke disdain for everything Irish. Let's say, everywhere I went, I talked up America and wrapped the stars and stripes around my body, and flew a flag in my front yard, and even placed one in the sanctuary, and had the church sing God bless America every service? Let's say, I told you and others that I didn't need to apply for citizenship, because I was demanding asylum or amnesty treatment in leiu of citizenship, in order to get medical care and whatever benefits Irish citizens are elegible for, but continued to show disrespect for Ireland, her people, her traditions, her customs, and her laws by not applying for a drivers license or paying insurance, but continuing to drive on your streets and highways? How long would it take before good, well meaning, loving Irish folks would show their disfavor towards me, either passively or aggressively! And you? Wouldn't you as a fellow American take me aside and ask me to tone it down?

I'd like to know how you would feel about me if I were to do this, in the country you call your home for the present time?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I could see your grin, strange as that sounds! :smilewinkgrin:

Come on, my church scenario is something that you can wrap your head around, and I'd like to know what you would do if that happened?

Amuse me .... grin and give me an answer!

I was trying to draw a comparison for you that would be something like I feel.

I am not for legislating one flag only. I thought I had a good point though and yet you skip over the points like a flat rock on a smooth pond.

I can't believe fomr one minute that you or your church would accept that kind of behavior. And what I am saying is that their behavior is like sticking their country in the face of all Americans! There are times that I go to certain areas of California and feel as though I stepped out of reality and into another country!

If I want a Mexican or south of the border flavor, I go to a Mexican restaurant. If I want fish and chips, British style, I go to an English pub. If I have a taste for French, Mimi's isn't to far off course!

I am telling you that the folks I know are tired of incondierate foreigners, hear illegally, taking over parks, neighborhods and other things because part of becoming a citizen shuld invole a growth in loyalty to the country you are living in and plan to die in!

Let's say I snuck into Ireland, and got hired as a pastor of a local church, yet because I didn't agree with the IRA and other issues that led to years of killing, spoke disdain for everything Irish. Let's say, everywhere I went, I talked up America and wrapped the stars and stripes around my body, and flew a flag in my front yard, and even placed one in the sanctuary, and had the church sing God bless America every service? Let's say, I told you and others that I didn't need to apply for citizenship, because I was demanding asylum or amnesty treatment in leiu of citizenship, in order to get medical care and whatever benefits Irish citizens are elegible for, but continued to show disrespect for Ireland, her people, her traditions, her customs, and her laws by not applying for a drivers license or paying insurance, but continuing to drive on your streets and highways? How long would it take before good, well meaning, loving Irish folks would show their disfavor towards me, either passively or aggressively! And you? Wouldn't you as a fellow American take me aside and ask me to tone it down?

I'd like to know how you would feel about me if I were to do this, in the country you call your home for the present time?

I am not saying that any of that would be acceptable, this thread was only asking the question about whether or not the display of foreign flags should be illegal or frowned upon.

My opinion is no - nether should happen.

We have no flags in our church and would not be open to any flag being displayed for policital reasons.

 

[righteousdude2]

Thanks ....

I am not saying that any of that would be acceptable, this thread was only asking the question about whether or not the display of foreign flags should be illegal or frowned upon.

My opinion is no - nether should happen.

We have no flags in our church and would not be open to any flag being displayed for policital reasons.

Now you put a grin on my face! That wasn't that hard was it? God bless and good day mate!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Now you put a grin on my face! That wasn't that hard was it? God bless and good day mate!

But we don't even allow an Irish flag.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Is another flag gonna go all Rambo on 'em and kill 'em in their sleep? Blow in up their face? Harass their wives and children at Wal-Mart?

It seems like i read something very like this in another thread

This country, this flag. There's a reason all other flags are to fly in a secondary position to the U.S. flag.

What I said in the other thread is not in conflict with this statement.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

This country, this flag. There's a reason all other flags are to fly in a secondary position to the U.S. flag.

What I said in the other thread is not in conflict with this statement.

I am pretty sure the flag code treats all national flags equally when displayed together. I am sure you will let me know if
I am incorrect.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I am sure you will let me know if I am incorrect.

Gee, ya think? :laugh: :thumbsup:

I am pretty sure the flag code treats all national flags equally when displayed together.

Only at the United Nations and the aforementioned sporting events.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Gee, ya think? :laugh: :thumbsup:Only at the United Nations and the aforementioned sporting events.

Check out my post #6 on this thread. I'd be interested in your take.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Check out my post #6 on this thread. I'd be interested in your take.

Also from the U.S. Flag Code:

... when carried in a procession with another flag or flags ...

(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
(d) The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag's own right, and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.
(e) The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.
(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.
(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

Question: Are we at peace with "the nation" of Islam? Good question. While there is no true "nation of Islam," ISIS is flying this flag:

Do we give that flag equal prominence with the U.S. flag? Do we give this one ...

... equal prominence with ours?

Here are my answers:

No, we are not at peace with "the nation" of Islam, given that terminology is used by the fanatics who want a world united under Islamic law and government.

No, we do not give the first flag equal prominence with the U.S. flag, nor do we allow it to be flow in this country.

No, we do not give the second flag equal prominence with the U.S. flag, and decisions upon whether it will be flown in the U.S. will be determined by the intent and purpose for displaying it.

If anyone doesn't like that attitude, tough.

 

[Salty]

But we don't even allow an Irish flag.

Is that common thinking of most/all churches in Ireland?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Is that common thinking of most/all churches in Ireland?

I've never to a service outside the US where a national flag is displayed. I have heard of it, but never seen it.