1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

How do you view the Orthodox Church?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Yeshua1, Jul 21, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    43,963
    Likes Received:
    2,160
    Faith:
    Baptist
    As another Christian church sect, or classified as same as Roman Catholic?
     
  2. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    1,107
    Likes Received:
    188
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Does not believe in Sola Fide nor Sola Gratia, nor Sola Christus
     
  3. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2000
    Messages:
    13,291
    Likes Received:
    1,781
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Same as the RCC. One's the Eastern Orthodox the other is the Western Orthodox.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    43,963
    Likes Received:
    2,160
    Faith:
    Baptist
    they both do claim to be the only true Church!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Sai

    Sai Active Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2020
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    52
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Three measures of meal. (1) Protestant (2) Romanism (3) Russian Orthodox. All three have elements of leaven (false doctrine) some more than others. All have some true believers.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  6. RighteousnessTemperance&

    RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2017
    Messages:
    3,455
    Likes Received:
    654
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I wouldn’t say they are the same, nor would they, but they have many similarities. The Orthodox do not have a pope, and being Greek do not have all the same heroes of the faith nor abide by all the councils of the Latins. Unlike many Protestants, neither care for the Hebrew OT (Masoretic Text), which does not include the Apocrypha.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    18,111
    Likes Received:
    1,965
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I view them as I do other groups. They are Catholic but not Roman Catholic. They can contribute to Christianity but like Anglicans and Presbyterians I have disagreements with their theology.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  8. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    18,111
    Likes Received:
    1,965
    Faith:
    Baptist
    LOL..... I know more than a few Baptists who claim the same.
     
  9. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    43,963
    Likes Received:
    2,160
    Faith:
    Baptist
    They have a translation based upon the LXX then? And they seem to equate the Church fathers as almost equal to the scriptures then?
     
  10. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    43,963
    Likes Received:
    2,160
    Faith:
    Baptist
    They seem to hold though to Infant regeneration, real presense of Jesus in Communion, and to sacramental graces, so are they really a true Christian church?
     
  11. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    43,963
    Likes Received:
    2,160
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Well, there was that First Baptist Church in Jerusalem James was head over!
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  12. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    18,111
    Likes Received:
    1,965
    Faith:
    Baptist
    And there was John the Baptist. He is known for his denominational affiliation :D .
     
  13. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    18,111
    Likes Received:
    1,965
    Faith:
    Baptist
    This is an interesting topic. Free-will Baptists do not hold to the same soteriology as you affirm. Does that mean they are not a true Christian church?

    I do not believe that the church exists in this type of organization. So I'd say that the church exists within both Orthodox and Catholic congregations. I think that even Presbyterian Churches (who hold to infant baptism) and Lutheran Churches (who hold to at least a presence of Jesus in Communion) can be classified the same way. The problem is not Christ in these denominations but the human element. I personally believe that I cannot judge them (they are Christ's servants, not mine). But I can examine and opine about their doctrine.

    There are areas where the Orthodox Church holds a position much closer to Scripture than Reformed Churches (they hold a lot of Scripture as literal where as Reformed Churches stick to doctrine developed by reforming Roman Catholic doctrine). But there are also areas where they hold tradition over Scripture. All churches do this. Reformed churches are indebted to Luther and Calvin, But in many ways their doctrine remains indebted to the Roman Catholic Church (even if, like with the Five Points, it is in form of response).
     
  14. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    43,963
    Likes Received:
    2,160
    Faith:
    Baptist
    There are saved persons with both Orthodox and Catholic churfches, but saved in spite of the bad and wrong theology both hold with, same as in Lutherans and free will baptist churches!

    And both catholics and orthodox from what I can see would equate the teachings and doctrines of the church fathers as binding and authority essentially on par with the scriptures!
     
  15. Gorship

    Gorship Active Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2013
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    50
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I'm not a high church kinda guy. But all the stuff I've read from EO guys has been amazing.

    Really enjoyed this video from Matt.





    Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    18,111
    Likes Received:
    1,965
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I agree.

    But we also have to consider that Reformed Churches do the same. They hold the theology that was derived from the Reformation to be, essentially, on par with Scripture. This includes Roman Catholic Doctrine "once removed" (reformed Roman Catholic doctrine). This become obvious in theological discussions (the "plain teaching of Scripture" is one stark example - what is meant is not what is written but what appears to be "plainly taught" in accordance with a particular tradition).
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    18,111
    Likes Received:
    1,965
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The thing is Christians can learn from other Christians (without adopting their doctrines as a whole). It is very easy to see the error in other groups, but it is very difficult to see our own error (or potential for error).
     
  18. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    43,963
    Likes Received:
    2,160
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I would have to say though that the reformers did rediscover the true Gospel that God uses to save us with!
     
  19. Gorship

    Gorship Active Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2013
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    50
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No quarrels with that here.

    Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    18,111
    Likes Received:
    1,965
    Faith:
    Baptist
    They discovered the gospel that they had lost (the gospel itself was never lost).

    That is what people need to realize about the Reformation. There were people outside of the Roman Catholic Church, uninfluenced by Roman Catholic doctrine, who held the gospel of Christ.

    The Reformers were still hampered by faulty theology. God used them in a wonderful way, but at the same time they carried with them poor doctrines and traditions.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...