Give it up, Dave.;)
How Free Will Turns the Gospel into Law and Grace into Works.
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 1689Dave, Jul 16, 2019.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [NJKV]
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness [ESV]
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [NIV]
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [RSV]
But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness [NLT] -
InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Must keep repeating it. Even with variations, I guess. It might come true some millennia. -
InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Well good luck with that -
OfLivingWaters Active Member
Both are one. You can not have one without the other. That work- is in your choice , the choosing of Christ, in your YES, in accepting Christ as you Savior. It is different than just works that are good but are not in Christ. Those works can not get you into heaven or to the Father. "I am the way , the truth and the life , no one comes to the Father except through me."
James 2:17-19
Faith and Works
…17So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead. 18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.…
The point is, there is a work accompanied in choosing Christ by faith. James says they can not be separated. "and I will show you my faith by my deeds." To know they are ONE is to believe God is One.
There should be no argument concerning this. It is an impossible dividing just as God can not be.God revealed in three divine ways does not mean a dividing or separateness . That is the way faith and Works are. That is what James is revealing. So what is the beef? To profess with your mouth is a work in faith. That work /deed shows your faith. -
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If God had wanted, He coulda made all created beings incapable of the slightest disobedience. But it's apparent He wants people to serve Him from LOVE, not automaticity or fear. Thus, He leaves us free to choose to serve & obey Him, or not, with final results for either choice. What we cannot do is vacillate between one of the 2 choices. -
The demons believe! They've all actually SEEN & HEARD Jesus! Yes, they believe, and TREMBLE! They know their doom !
Having seen & heard Jesus quite-often, as well as His Father, they knew better than to sin, but did so anyway, so there's no forgiveness for them. OTOH, WE believe by FAITH, having not seen nor heard Jesus, so we have forgiveness by Him for our sins as we didn't know any better before . But we have plenty of EVIDENCE supporting our faith.
Dave, you've been wrong on so many things, from partial preterism to this. You really need to prayerfully overhaul your theology ! -
Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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“But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (NASB95) -
“But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (NASB95) -
1689Dave said: Free will permeates the world as far as it concerns law. The law holds people responsible based on their ability to obey or disobey it. And free will is in play wherever laws exist.
Well to readers I think this demonstrates how Calvinists are all over the map with no consistency in just about anything they say. So free will exists for those trying to keep the law but free will does not exist until you stop doing so and get saved?
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