Well, actually, not all creationists believe dinos were on the ark. And we don't know what a behemoth was. Its description doesn't match any dino we know of. And NO recent dino remains have been found; just petrified fossils.
It's not MY theory; it's that of many paleontologists & biologists. Just do as I suggested to Church Mouse Guy & Google it.
No, the KJV does. I don't use it; I copied from the NKJV, which says "species". That word didn't come into biological use til about the time the KJV was made, so they used 'kinds', from older Bible versions.
Actually, some 350 different species have been IDd from fossils complete enough to be identified.
All dogs are of the same species, "Canis". Any male & female dog can breed if physically possible. But dogs & cats can't breed, nor be artificially inseminated with each other.
And I posted Scripture proving Noah took a pair of EVERY species that existed before the flood with him. He didn't take any dinos because most were already extinct. He took elephants, not woolly mammoths. He took lions & tigers, not saber-tooth cats. But mammoths & saber tooths existed at one time, (However, I won't rule out that the Loch ness monster might be a plesiosaur. I don't think God destroyed much aquatic life in the flood.)
How Old Is The Earth?
Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by Phillip Diller, Jun 6, 2020.
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just-want-peace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I remember years ago (70s I think), I read some comment from one of these far-out groups - wanting to bring about the 16th living style again - commenting on EXTINCT species.
The quote went something like this:
"Because of man's actions (global warming/cooling, rain forest destruction, whatever ) there have been hundreds of animals that we haven't even discovered yet, that are now extinct!"
I've heard many stupid statements from these "groups", but IMHO, this one was the icing on the cake!
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What do you mean that no recent dino remains have been found when you have flesh with blood cells being found? To still be flesh, they would have to be very recent.
The reason that cats and dogs cannot interbreed is that dogs are all one family and include things like wolves and coyotes and dingoes and cats are another family or kind. The point is that Noah only needed one pair of dogs and one pair of cats and all species of dogs came from that one pair and all species of cats came from that one pair of cats. -
church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Here is a video posted today about fossils. It is excellent:
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Gen. 1:11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen. 1:21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen. 1:24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen. 6:20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.
Gen. 7:14 they and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort.
I think it's really problematic to build a theory based on one single translation instance in one particular translation. Just look at the evidence from the NKJV on how you should view this word.
There is also a study in creationism you should consider looking into—baraminology—the study of created kinds. bara'--to create, miyn--kinds. Here's a helpful resource page on this topic.
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The clean animals are the kind used for domestication and they had three pairs and one more for sacrifice. Genesis 8:20 (KJV) And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
And in your KJV, 'kind' does indeed mean 'species' when referring to animals, such as in Lev. 19:19 where God tells the Israelis not to let their cattle breed with another kind of cattle. (Holsteins shall breed only with other Holsteins, etc.)
Now, once more...
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And you're avoiding the point that dinos existed on previous arrangements of the earth's surface. You just don't wanna admit the obvious. -
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I'm also amazed how easy creation science makes it to take Genesis literally, as is, with no additional stories about a flood before Noah's. -
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The word eggs does not appear in Genesis. God sent the animals to Noah. -
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It is true, there are domestic hybrids, and wild hybrids. Some bears hybridize in the wild under certain conditions—polar bears and brown bears, I believe. The coywolf is found in the wild.
Other animals species will only breed in captivity. Others, are too far removed from one another to hybridize, but have common species in-between they can hybrid with. I believe Brown bears can hybridize with Grizzlies and Polars, but Grizzlies and Polars cannot.
There are other case where we suspect animals to be in the same family, but the common breeder is missing or extinct, so we can't fully prove it. Foxes and wolves would be an example. -
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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There can be no doubt that humanity before the Flood, breed reptile species like we do cats and dogs. That humans lost their dominion over the animals after the Flood is evident. That some species could not make it after the Flood is evident as well.
What is denied is that the earth was divided after the Flood and not prior to the Flood. All species deposited into layers may have not been homogenous before the Flood, because some humans may have had other interest than in breeding animals. After the Flood and during the break up of the continents it is obvious that animal life would move out and advance faster than humanity did. Natural selection evident. Especially since God had to force humans to spread out with the change in linguistics.
Humanity prior to the Flood were not ignorant cave men. They were sons of God in God's full image. Their knowledge would have surpassed anything we have discovered or ever will discover. It was Noah's offspring who had to learn things all over again. Why did knowledge only increase in the last 300 years and was kept from us for thousands of years? Or did some knowledge just fade out over time, and was considered non essential to normal society. Humans tend to destroy that which is not relevant to their current cultural norms.
Humans had 2500 years before the Flood to fill, kill, breed, build, destroy, artificially and naturally, in ways we can only dream of. We today are probably discovering, what they would call their museums. The Flood itself burying their life's work, and the aftermath changing the continents, forming mountain ranges, and creating Ice ages. Not over millions of years but constantly over hundreds of years. One of the reasons why humanity did not spread out was the fear of being isolated from one another. God had to isolate them linguistically. -
Wonder if you're like me. If time-travel existed, you'd go there in a heartbeat, with some serious weapons and tools of course maybe a Humvee. -
“Everything is permitted,” you say? Maybe, but not everything is helpful. “Everything is permitted?” Maybe, but not everything is edifying.
There are a lot of things we may never know about life before the Flood. When we do know, such knowledge may not even matter. Perhaps having knowledge is as sufficient as experiencing it first hand?
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