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How the mRna covid vaccine works, never has there been an mRNA vaccine approved before

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  1. Scott Downey

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    Pfizer Says Trials Show COVID Vaccine Is 90% Effective, But Questions Remain on Safety of Novel Tech • Children's Health Defense

    Your injected with this man designed mRNA which then infects cells in your body forcing them to manufacture the covid spike protein. The infected cells then release the spike proteins in the millions when they die or maybe release them steadily, not certain of that... Your body then makes antibodies to this covid spike protein which is identical to the covid virus spike protein. Thus you have antibodies that work against the covid virus.

    So it is like pumping up your immune system to covid before your exposed while not giving you the covid infection

    What they have done is create a man made kind of virus (but not a virus as it has no viral shell) which functions just like a virus functions. It infects some of your human cells. It cant infect them all or it would kill you.

    But since they have never done this to humans by the millions, a mRNA vaccine, no one is sure if it wont be harmful in some way. It is modifying your cellular DNA...

    Which Is why I plan to wait as long as possible to get this vaccine, besides which I am immune to covid, anyone who had covid is immune to covid and also cant spread it.

    Some doctors say the mRNA vaccine is a terrible plan
    Dr. Wodarg: “I Think This Vaccination is Really the Pinnacle of the Crime” | Gates of Vienna

    You know Facebook would probably ban me for this post and delete it if it was on their site...
    So you can understand why some people have a reaction to the vaccine, aches, pains, chills, fevers, it is a kind of infection and your body reacts to it.

    ALL viral infections, the virus infects your cells and their DNA or RNA takes over the cell internal machinery to pump out millions of viral copies, eventually killing the cells, then the viral copies spew out into your body , so this vaccine works very much the same.
     
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    This new RNA vaccine is problematic.
    (1) It must be transported and stored in sub-zero storage containers.
    Outside of the frozen state the vaccine lasts about a week.
    [most likely the vaccine will only be utilized in urban, high population density environments where this equipment is already available]

    (2) The vaccine is given in two doses, each recipient must show up for a second shot.

    (3) Research studies seem to indicate that this particular vaccine is highly effective in people older than 65. In younger people the vaccine is not so effective.
    Any potential adverse effect in changing DNA will have minimal long-term effects in older patients.

    Rob
     
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    Ex-Pfizer Doctor Yeadon and Lung Specialist Doctor Wodarg file for suspension of all SARS CoV2 Vaccine Studies-Sign their Petition – Evolve to Ecology

    Not that this will have any impact on the rollout of the vaccine, but Yeadon and Wodarg are saying mRNA vaccines have not been studied for long term health consequences, sure they use them in animals which are then slaughtered a few months later, but people are expected to live for decades and not get cancer or other serious illnesses caused by a vaccine. And then they bring up how vaccines to covid in cats caused such a heightened immune response when exposed to the targeted virus it killed the cats.

    Here are some of the objections
    • The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
    • The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
    • The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
    • The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
     
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    "The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women."

    Now that is one real big got you for the conspiracy theories like how Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to destroy human fertility and cut way back on the human population.

    (6) Bill Gates admits plans to reduce population through use of vaccines - YouTube
     
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    Our technology | Janssen EMEA
    Here is the Janssen vaccine
    It produces both a humoral and cell immune response. Rather than just antibodies being made, this vaccine mimics a real live infection vector (modified virus which cant infect you) so your immune response is more natural, T cells, B cells, and antibodies your body will make. Which is more comprehensive.
    It does not infect your cells. And does not have to be frozen

    (3) Janssen’s AdVac® Technology - YouTube
     
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    This vaccine thing is just a public relations stunt. It’s not really a vaccine just a flu shot.
     
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    Uhhhh, a flu shot is a vaccine.

    Rob
     
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    Covid is another kind of flu.
    You could call all corona viruses 'novel' because they all change their dna all year long, its why you keep getting the colds and the flu, they are new every season.

    One thing I learned this year due to covid is how deadly the flu is. Back in 1918, the Spanish Flu killed about 50 million worldwide.

    there is always a chance every year for a super deadly flu or cold virus to come back
     
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    No, they are not (both are respiratory illnesses but caused by different viruses).
     
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    Sure influenza virus is FLU versus covid virus which is COLDS specifically , but they all do the same kind of infections, and usually its the pneumonia that kills you, your lungs flood with fluid, not the virus.
    You own immune system overreacts to the viral infection. it is an inflammatory response that is deadly.

    Coronavirus is the trigger, but the immune response is deadly - The Lancet Rheumatology
     
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    I don't know with COVID. We had a friend who's daughter had a stroke due to COVID (it caused a blood clot, she is 24). This has been an unusual but not rare occurrence with COVID. The flu does not typically (to my knowledge) cause such issues.
     
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    Antibodies May Explain Why COVID-19 Patients Get Blood Clots | Time
    It is your own overactive immune response to the virus that causes all these complications and deaths
    Inflammation is a deadly killer. It is caused by your own immune system.
     
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    Inflammation is why the flu results in pneumonia as well.

    There are many things in common. They are just not the same.
     
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    I have a sibling that was immunized for small pox and developed some kind of life-threatening and contagious pox from the vaccine. She may be the most immune white person on the planet to Small Pox. Other than reactions to the vaccine, I think the last cases of wild small pox were in Africa in the 1970's. People call me a liar when I talk about this.

    There was a lot of speculation about how it was possible that she got so sick. The pustules were so severe that she carries the scars today. As a child, I would stare at her scars and be so thankful that she survived. My mother claims that conclusion reached was that the vaccine must have been expired or improperly stored and suspects that there were people that knew this and injected children with it anyway, rather than take the financial loss of replacing it.

    The trials are done under optimal conditions. The candidates are cherry-picked and not representative of the entire population. We know the failure of medical trials done with so much more oversight and time. We know that the side effects increase as the medical advance is used in real-world conditions and on a more diverse population.

    There are zombie movies about vaccines like this one. LOL.
     
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    It's about time to watch I am Legend again.
     
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    And Handmaids Tale about sudden mass infertility
     
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    That is one of the concerns with the mRNA vaccine
     
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    I think it should be illegal for an employer to require employees to be immunized with an mRNA vaccine.
     
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