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How the mRna covid vaccine works, never has there been an mRNA vaccine approved before

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Scott Downey, Dec 5, 2020.

  1. JonC

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    I'm not so concerned about the mRNA part. I'm really not sure why we'd consider it more problematic than putting a form of the actual virus in our bodies (& with the flu shot we get two new versions of the vaccine made every year).
     
  2. Scott Downey

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    It will probably be ok, but we all know what things they used to say were ok for you which turned out to have serious and deadly consequences.
    They used to think mercury cremes was good to slather on your body for one example.
    How about all the food additives they have banned since they caused cancers, but they were great once.
     
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  3. Scott Downey

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    Wait for the Johnson and Johnson Janssens vaccine to be approved, it does not infect you like a virus, so it does not alter your dna, and it is has the best immune producing mechanism since it works like your own natural body works, like in the real world everyday how it functions.
     
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    I remember playing with mercury. :( It was fun. :)

    I also remember sleeping in the back window of an Impala on long trips (we'd take turns between the floorboard, seat, and window....but the window was the best).
     
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    Right—why is one called a flu shot and the other a vaccine. Politics.
     
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    If I don’t wear a mask, they won’t let me have a vaccination. :Cry
     
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    • Dear Patients and Friends,

    Last week I must have been asked 20 times about the new COVID vaccines. Here are my thoughts. Please pass this information onto many as you can. People need to have fully informed consent when it comes to injecting foreign genetic material into their bodies.

    1. The COVID vaccines are mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines are a completely new type of vaccine. No mRNA vaccine has ever been licensed for human use before. In essence, we have absolutely no idea what to expect from this vaccine. We have no idea if it will be effective or safe.

    2. Traditional vaccine simply introduce pieces of a virus to stimulate an immune reaction. The new mRNA vaccine is completely different. It actually injects (transfects) molecules of synthetic genetic material from non-humans sources into our cells. Once in the cells, the genetic material interacts with our transfer RNA (tRNA) to make a foreign protein that supposedly teaches the body to destroy the virus being coded for. Note that these newly created proteins are not regulated by our own DNA, and are thus completely foreign to our cells. What they are fully capable of doing is unknown.

    3. The mRNA molecule is vulnerable to destruction. So, in order to protect the fragile mRNA strands while they are being inserted into our DNA they are coated with PEGylated lipid nanoparticles. This coating hides the mRNA from our immune system which ordinarily would kill any foreign material injected into the body. PEGylated lipid nanoparticles have been used in several different drugs for years. Because of their effect on immune system balance, several studies have shown them to induce allergies and autoimmune diseases. Additionally, PEGylated lipid nanoparticles have been shown to trigger their own immune reactions, and to cause damage to the liver.

    4. These new vaccines are additionally contaminated with aluminum, mercury, and possibly formaldehyde. The manufacturers have not yet disclosed what other toxins they contain.

    5. Since viruses mutate frequently, the chance of any vaccine working for more than a year is unlikely. That is why the flu vaccine changes every year. Last year’s vaccine is no more valuable than last year’s newspaper.

    6. Absolutely no long term safety studies will have been done to ensure that any of these vaccines don’t cause the cancer, seizures, heart disease, allergies, and autoimmune diseases seen with other vaccines. If you ever wanted to be guinea pig for Big Pharma, now is your golden opportunity.

    7. Many experts question whether the mRNA technology is ready for prime time. In November 2020, Dr. Peter Jay Hotez said of the new mRNA vaccines, "I worry about innovation at the expense of practicality because they [the mRNA vaccines] are weighted toward technology platforms that have never made it to licensure before.” Dr. Hotez is Professor of Pediatrics and Molecular Virology & Microbiology at Baylor College of Medicine, where he is also Director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development.

    8. Michal Linial, PhD is a Professor of Biochemistry. Because of her research and forecasts on COVID-19, Dr. Linial has been widely quoted in the media. She recently stated, "I won't be taking it [the mRNA vaccine] immediately – probably not for at least the coming year. We have to wait and see whether it really works. We will have a safety profile for only a certain number of months, so if there is a long-term effect after two years, we cannot know."

    9. In November 2020, The Washington Post reported on hesitancy among healthcare professionals in the United States to the mRNA vaccines, citing surveys which reported that: "some did not want to be in the first round, so they could wait and see if there are potential side effects", and that "doctors and nurses want more data before championing vaccines to end the pandemic".

    10. Since the death rate from COVID resumed to the normal flu death rate way back in early September, the pandemic has been over since then. Therefore, at this point in time no vaccine is needed. The current scare tactics regarding “escalating cases” is based on a PCR test that because it exceeds 34 amplifications has a 100% false positive rate unless it is performed between the 3rd and 5th day after the first day of symptoms. It is therefor 100% inaccurate in people with no symptoms. This is well established in the scientific literature. See the attachment (False Positive PCR testing is up to 100%!) for more information on this. If you go to the CDC site (file:///C:/Users/docto/AppData/Local/Temp/cdc_97230_DS1.pdf ), you can see that the weekly death rates in the US are now lower than they normally are during an average flu season.

    11. The other reason you don’t need a vaccine for COVID-19 is that substantial herd immunity has already taken place in the United States. This is the primary reason for the end of the pandemic.

    12. Unfortunately, you cannot completely trust what you hear from the media. They have consistently got it wrong for the past year. Since they are all supported by Big Pharma and the other entities selling the COVID vaccines, they are not going to be fully forthcoming when it comes to mRNA vaccines. Every statement I have made here is fully backed by published scientific references.

    13. I would be very interested to see verification that Bill and Melinda Gates with their entire family including grandchildren, Joe Biden and President Trump and their entire families, and Anthony Fauci and his entire family all get the vaccine.

    14. Anyone who after reading all this still wants to get injected with the mRNA vaccine, should at the very least have their blood checked for COVID-19 antibodies. There is no need for a vaccine in persons already naturally immunized.

    Here's my bottom line: I would much rather get a COVID infection than get a COVID vaccine. That would be safer and more effective. I have had a number of COVID positive flu cases this year. Some were old and had health concerns. Every single one has done really well with natural therapies including ozone therapy and IV vitamin C. Just because modern medicine has no effective treatment for viral infections, doesn’t mean that there isn’t one.

    Frank Shallenberger, MD, HMD
     
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    "The mRNA technology in both vaccines has been found to be around 95 percent effective in preventing coronavirus infections. It is also extremely safe. The mRNA vaccines carry only the RNA instructions; they do not carry any of the RNA that leads to disease in humans."

    Five questions and answers on COVID-19 vaccines | TheHill
     
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    ' Whether the apparent success of Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines will spark a wave of mRNA therapeutic development remains to be seen, but Burton cautioned that the coronavirus spike protein "does seem to be a particularly easy target."

    "Will RNA work for all vaccines? I don't think we can say that yet," Burton said. "It's a huge leap forward. It's very quick to make and has a lot of advantages. But I think SARS-CoV-2 is an easy test relative to some of the other viruses we have to deal with." '

    Want to Know More About mRNA Before Your COVID Jab? | MedPage Today
     
  10. Scott Downey

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    so far the only vaccine that is anything like the old kinds of vaccines is the Johnson & Johnson Janssen one.
     
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    "mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown

    There are currently no licensed mRNA vaccines in the United States. However, researchers have been studying them for decades.

    Early stage clinical trials using mRNA vaccines have been carried out for influenza, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). Challenges encountered in these early trials included the instability of free RNA in the body, unintended inflammatory outcomes, and modest immune responses. Recent technological advancements in RNA biology and chemistry, as well as delivery systems, have mitigated these challenges and improved their stability, safety, and effectiveness.

    Beyond vaccines, numerous preclinical and clinical studies have used mRNA to encode cancer antigens to stimulate immune responses targeted at clearing or reducing malignant tumors."

    Understanding and Explaining mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
     
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    Let the old white Dems take it first.

    I can’t take it because I won’t wear a mask to get inside the inoculation tent.
     
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